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post #21 of 69 Old 05-13-2016, 12:22 PM
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Holy [email protected] I am so glad to hear that Skippy should recover, but what an ordeal.

Thank you for sharing your experiences. I think so many people wrongly assume strangles only happens in "bad" places or when dealing with low-end sales. Most people would keep quiet about it for fear of gossip versus wanting to educate fellow horse people. If only everyone would have your attitude!

I also think it speaks volumes that you are not blaming your help, but instead educating her.


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I know that they USUALLY build immunity to the strain they've had. If a new one comes down the pike, not so sure how much it would sustain them. I know they used to believe that once a horse had strangles you shouldn't ever vaccinate them because they would come down with it again. That was a LONG time ago, back in the 70's/80's, and I don't know if the IM vaccine of the day (only one they had then) was a live strain or killed as it is today.

The IN vaccine is an attenuated live strain and is much more effective in creating an immune response. The IM doesn't seem to confer immunity nearly as well, in addition to having some NASTY site reactions.

We drew blood on the 2 mares who have just foaled to see what their immune status is and if they need to receive vaccine, which I'm VERY reluctant to do at this time, but if needs be we will do it to protect the foals. It's the only immunity they can get so may be worth the risk if their dams immunity is low or non-existent.

STRESS STRESS STRESS! I wouldn't wish this on my least favorite person in the world. Thanks for all the well wishes and prayers everybody!
I asked because one year we had 2 going to the trainer and he required all vaccines including strangles which I didn't normally give. Vet came out and did the IN vaccine which made TJ get strangles (he never acted sick at all just had an abscess come up and burst) but Cloud didn't. TJ also passed it on to his yearling brother but none of the other herd mates got so much as a snotty nose even though they weren't vaccinated. I just wondered if it was because they'd been exposed enough over the years that, although they'd never actually had strangles, somehow they'd built up some immunity to it.

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Liking your post only for the information it brings to us. I'm sorry that you're dealing with this but glad to hear that Skippy is likely going to survive. Sounds like a horrible ordeal for all involved.
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I asked because one year we had 2 going to the trainer and he required all vaccines including strangles which I didn't normally give. Vet came out and did the IN vaccine which made TJ get strangles (he never acted sick at all just had an abscess come up and burst) but Cloud didn't. TJ also passed it on to his yearling brother but none of the other herd mates got so much as a snotty nose even though they weren't vaccinated. I just wondered if it was because they'd been exposed enough over the years that, although they'd never actually had strangles, somehow they'd built up some immunity to it.
Good overall health can limit the risk of disease in the face of exposure. The degree of exposure (how much bacteria the horse is exposed to and over what period of time) also affects the risk of contracting disease. Previous exposure to the bacteria also affects the risk of contracting disease because previous exposure can lead to immunity. So, there are several possible reasons that the other horses didn't get sick.
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Holy [email protected] I am so glad to hear that Skippy should recover, but what an ordeal.

Thank you for sharing your experiences. I think so many people wrongly assume strangles only happens in "bad" places or when dealing with low-end sales. Most people would keep quiet about it for fear of gossip versus wanting to educate fellow horse people. If only everyone would have your attitude!

I also think it speaks volumes that you are not blaming your help, but instead educating her.
Thanks PH.

I had heard all those tales when I was growing up too but I've seen really HIGH END barns get shut down for long periods of time by this disease, so learned that the "bad" places tales were wrong. The last thing one of those barns wants to tell a client that's paying $2 or $3K or more a month is that their horse can't go to anymore shows for ????? who knows how long because they have Strangles. Their bill certainly isn't going to go down, in fact it will probably go up because of all of the extra care the horse will need. I know if I had boarder's horses here, and I was doing all the extra care and cleaning for those horses that I am for mine, the bill would have to reflect the cost of the extra help needed due to Biosecurity demands, extra time, extra bedding, extra supplies, disinfection, back and forth to the vet and having to clean and disinfect my trailer each time, plus all of the vet bills.

There is no need to keep quiet about this, especially when there's something to learn. Like I mentioned earlier, I have never seen a horse as sick as Skippy with Strangles, so I'm pretty sure I'm not alone. As far as gossip, I live in a small town with a large college and everyone pretty much knows everyone else in the horse community. They all know I've locked us down for Strangles and nobody that isn't absolutely necessary is coming on or off the place, people or horses. I have Nolvasan foot baths just at all the exits and entrances to the place, hand disinfectant placed next to the foot baths and anyone who goes in and out of the 'dirty' barn is required to go in the house and shower and change clothes when they're done. That's just not something you keep quiet about, unless you want to infect everyone else's horses and I sure don't want that. The gossips will find something to gossip about anyhow, if they want to try to make something of this trying to keep it quiet only adds fuel to the flames. Too much energy involved for me to bother with all that, you know?

No, I'm not blaming the kid, how could i? There's a lot that I had never seen or heard about with this and she's only 18 and not been responsible for managing large groups of horses. She'd never even heard of Strangles other than as something you vaccinate for. So as I am getting educated by the vets at OSU, I'm bringing her along or I'm repeating the lessons I'm getting when I get home so she can learn too. She's studying to be an Ag Ed teacher, this will give her some good lessons to teach kids when she's got her degree & certificates.

It's unfortunate that the timing had my horses getting sick when I was having to prep for foals to arrive and having to be SO hands on with the mares and their stalls. I'd have loved to have made the 2 pregos the barn help's responsibility and handled the other 8 horses myself, but I couldn't do that and know that I'd be clean if something happened during foaling or right after. So she got the poopy end of the stick on that deal, she's got a serious Thank You present coming at the end of all this, for being such a good sport about all the extra days & hours she's had to work right at the end of the year and during finals week to boot.
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I asked because one year we had 2 going to the trainer and he required all vaccines including strangles which I didn't normally give. Vet came out and did the IN vaccine which made TJ get strangles (he never acted sick at all just had an abscess come up and burst) but Cloud didn't. TJ also passed it on to his yearling brother but none of the other herd mates got so much as a snotty nose even though they weren't vaccinated. I just wondered if it was because they'd been exposed enough over the years that, although they'd never actually had strangles, somehow they'd built up some immunity to it.
I'm glad Ryle chimed in on this, I had no answer for you.

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Talking Skippy Update

Went to see Skippy today and had 3 mares, who were bred before he got sick preg checked. 2 out of 3 took. The one that didn't was questionable at the time and only covered 1X.

Skippy is doing MUCH MUCH better. He's still got the trach in, but he's started eating and drinking much more normally and he's perky and pesty and all up in everyone's business. A couple of the vet student's were wondering how he'd adapt to apartment living. I said that I thought he would do really well, especially if he got to sleep in the bed and not on the floor. Not sure where they'd sleep, but hey, only the best for my Skippy, right? Poor guy has lost so much weight! We're going to be feeding him up and building him up for a while when he gets to come home. At least he GETS to come home soon! The vet students who had never dealt with a stallion are totally in love, that's AWESOME! I'm so pleased he's such a kind, sweet, gentleman even when I'm not there to remind him of his manners. Gonna be thrilled to take him home, they say most likely on Thursday. SCARED to see the final bill......OUCH!

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In 2005, we took Debbie Bell, the Clydesdale, directly from the previous owner's house to the training barn. She was there one week in training, and 4 months on "strangles board". We will never know whether she had it or another training horse had it......it was a miracle that I did not take it home to my pregnant mares! Hers was not quite as bad as Skippy, and she was segregated in a pen with the other bad case, but there were quite a few other infected horses.

Healing prayers for Skippy! Glad to hear the mares are settled!
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DA, what an ordeal, an expensive ordeal! Glad every pony is on the mend, so that's it, no more bad things will happen, you got it all out of the way.
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