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post #1 of 37 Old 02-07-2020, 05:41 PM Thread Starter
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Question Thoughts on this feed

Here's pics of ingredients an analysis from bag. Is it a good feed to use?

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I dont think it is because I don’t like the lack of some amino acids, vitamins, and minerals.

Yes, there’s a boatload listed under “ingredients” but they are not part of guaranteed analysis.

Methionine and Threonine for example are important amino acids that need to listed in the guaranteed analysis. They are listed so far down the ingredients list they might as well not be there.

Anything after the third named ingredient of any type of feed is a trace amount.

Was this feed suggested to you by someone?
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I dont think it is because I don’t like the lack of some amino acids, vitamins, and minerals.

Yes, there’s a boatload listed under “ingredients” but they are not part of guaranteed analysis.

Methionine and Threonine for example are important amino acids that need to listed in the guaranteed analysis. They are listed so far down the ingredients list they might as well not be there.

Anything after the third named ingredient of any type of feed is a trace amount.

Was this feed suggested to you by someone?
No wasn't suggested to me ,it's feed that boarding barn I work at feeds. There are different ones, there's a senior feed. And some other kinds also. Kinda thought it was lacking.

Reason I asked is once again ice isn't eating current diet of alfalfa cubes and pellets. That his supplement is mixed into. Supplement is by horse tech they made up to meet ices needs.

He hardly eats a handful of the alfalfa cubes and pellets. Needs more then a handful to mix in supplement.

He'll eat this feed well at least the cup I gave him. I'll try mixing this feed in with the alfalfa cubes and alfalfa pellets mixed. See if he won't eat at least 2 lbs of the alfalfa cubes/ pellets that way.

I don't want to be over doing selenium or other minerals/vitamins. If he won't do the alfalfa cubes/pellets with this feed mixed in. Not big on idea of feeding to much of this feed.

He's in good weight not fat ribs very easily felt. I just need to maintain him. Actually he's better then I thought he'd be, considering hay we have is crap hay. But he's been bundled up In blankets all winter,so no burning calories to stay warm.

I'm trying to stay away from bagged feeds, horses just seem to look so much healthier,on forage based diets. With the special made supplement.
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I'm not sure there is enough fat in his diet...


I am always wondering what the comparison is between hay as we know it, and dry standing hay as the wild animals know it.

I see my horses nibble at bark and branches. I do wonder what nutrients they obtain from that.


Since I changed to the Purina feeds, my Sassy has not chewed on the bark of trees, something she used to do every winter.
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If that’s all you need it for - get Ice Picky to eat his supplements, it should be ok, as long as you can keep the amount under one pound daily.

The .30 ppm of selenium equals .0003 mg/g.

Generally ration balancers or bagged feeds require a minimum of one pound for the horse to ingest the guaranteed analysis. See if it says anything to that effect on the bag.

If you can stay under one dry pound weight to get Ice to eat his supplements that small amount of selenium should not hurt him BUT I would run that number past your equine nutritionist to be sure:)
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I'll have to look at bag to see how much is required lb wise to meet vit/mins. I Know selenium can be over dosed.

Horse tech made up supplement so correct amount of mins/vits are in it. Was made up according to hay test. I'd have to talk to horse tech an run it by them.

Not sure I can do under a 1 pound to get supplement in him.

Tomorrow morning I'll find out if he shall eat the alfalfa cubes /pellets,with 2 handfuls of this feed mixed in.

I'd rather not feed this feed as his supplement carrier, using a handful or two yeah but no more.

@ AnitaAnne yeah not sure he's getting enough fat In diet either. Supplement has 40 percent fat added. He's doing good no health issues no lameness issues. He looks good feels good,just be picky about feed.

He needs to be more like cinder a horse version of a garbage disposal,eats anything and everything. 😂

That's interesting about sassy and not eating tree bark & branches after being on Purina feeds. Mine aren't eating bark or tree branches. Ice was chewing on corral rails for a while, he's quit doing that now.

Spring is coming both horses are shedding like mad.
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I try to avoid anything with any type of vegetable oil for anyone. Solvents are used to extract the oil, except olive & grapeseed, which is cold pressed. I actually haven't fed any bagged grain for 3 years, I am rather loving the results and the savings. I buy a bag of Hoffman's Minerals, alfalfa cubes and beet pulp, for 3 horses that lasts me 2 months. They always have a round bale of the best hay grown here. Since I have started doing this, the horses have never looked better and all the issues I had with ulcers have disappeared.
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@waresbear I'm not feeding grain horse gets fed alfalfa cubes alfalfa pellets mixed. He's quit eating it pretty much. Just looking for something to mix in above diet so he'll eat it. He has hay available 24/7.

Already have a supplement made to fill his nutritional needs,with no iron in it.


@walkinthewalk feeding rate to meet nutrition on the feed is. 0.25 to 0.50 per hundred pounds of body weight. That's for maintenance, higher rate for a working horse.

He ate a pound of alfalfa pellets with 2 handfuls of this feed added. That was this morning had some supplement in bottom of feed pan. I just dampen the pellets so supplement sticks.
Need more pellets then a pound probably.

Can't make it to wet or he won't touch it. He's a challenge to feed and get supplements into,he gets so darn picky. Likes something for a while then decided he doesn't like it anymore. He did this with grain.

There's only so many kinds of hay pellets and hay cubes to buy.

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I try to avoid anything with any type of vegetable oil for anyone. Solvents are used to extract the oil, except olive & grapeseed, which is cold pressed. I actually haven't fed any bagged grain for 3 years, I am rather loving the results and the savings. I buy a bag of Hoffman's Minerals, alfalfa cubes and beet pulp, for 3 horses that lasts me 2 months. They always have a round bale of the best hay grown here. Since I have started doing this, the horses have never looked better and all the issues I had with ulcers have disappeared.
Is that a Canadian brand?

How much alfalfa cubes and beet pulp do you feed?

I can give my gelding free choice hay as he will overeat. I give my horses low starch hay about a half a bale a day. Mostly just to keep something in their belly while no grass.

Then BioFlax 20 and a mixture of Purina minature and pony feed and Purina senior feed. They are a bit plump, but no other problems. 24.5 yr old and 13 yr old with cushings.


Everyone is against feeding hard food, but I have been doing this for years with no issues...once the seniors have no teeth, senior feed is the only way to keep them up.
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He should be ok and it’s probably a sure bet, he will grow tired of this too:)

A couple of other things to have in your back pocket:

1. Coconut oil if you have to tried it yet. Even though 3/4 of the fat amount is saturated, the chain of fat is different, according to this link.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/art....php#nutrition

It also contains Vitamin E.

You want virgin coconut oil. I bought mine at GNC. You only need 1-2 tablespoons.

The kicker is keeping it melted from the house to the feed pan— even where I live. I melt it in a half cup container with a lid, in the microwave. Wrap in a washcloth or kitchen towel.

Get the entire supplement stuff stirred and ready to eat, then pour the oil over top. Even if it’s a bit too warm out of the microwave, it won’t be by the time it gets to the feed pan.

2. Another option that would be pricey because you would have to pay shipping, is to look at suitable products on line. If you kept a 40# or 50# bag of something in the house, it would last longer. Or maybe a company would agree to send you a ten or twenty pound sample bag of something.

One of the company’s I like is McCauley’s. I used their M-10 balancer for a year but stopped due to having to special order it and then drive forty “you-can’t-get-there-from-here” miles to get the product.

The last order the store owner forgot to call in:(. I had four horses back then, so shipping costs would have put me deeper in the horse poor house. That’s when I found HorseTech and started using Timothy pellets.

For the amount you need for Ice, McCauley’s may have something that will work and might have a dealer in your general area.

McCauley Bros

Their website comes up “not secure” on my IPad, so I wouldn’t order on-line from them. They do have an 800 number. They are based in Kentucky.

After this, I’m out of ideas, unless you go full circle and start again with the first product you used that Ice stopped eating, lollol. I’ve seen picky horses but I’m pretty sure Ice wins the big prize, lol
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