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post #31 of 37 Old 02-12-2020, 12:41 PM
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I think Ill see if Joker will eat it solid that would save me some extra work, lol

I may try it on the dogs and house cat, as well:). Bebe the cat is a finicky diva, so shes questionable. The Rottweiler would eat sardines and anchovies, given half the chance. The Catahoula/Pit Bull is also questionable; he might think its poison, lol
You might be surprised! I met a cat that ate lettuce, of all things, as a treat. The owners trained him to do tricks like a dog... with lettuce.
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post #32 of 37 Old 02-12-2020, 01:32 PM
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You might be surprised! I met a cat that ate lettuce, of all things, as a treat. The owners trained him to do tricks like a dog... with lettuce.
Love that. My chickens will do just about anything for lettuce, but never saw a cat interested in it. My parents used to have a cat who loved green olives out of a jar. You couldn't keep him away when he saw that jar out.
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post #33 of 37 Old 02-12-2020, 07:40 PM
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Here's pics of ingredients an analysis from bag. Is it a good feed to use?
Run, don't walk, away from this.

The top ingredients list grains. Corn (highest NSC at about 70%), barley (second highest NSC at over 50%), and the grains they are not specifying is likely oats (lowest NSC of all grains at about 40-45%). NSC is to horses what fat is to humans. Some is needed, but very little. A horse's digestive systems is designed to normally deal with a bit less than 15% (but I use 15 since it's easy to remember LOL). Just as too much fat ultimately harms humans, too much NSC is the slow and silent killer of horses. Secretariat was put down at 19 as the result of laminitis (the number cause being to much NSC in their diet). He was feed a diet of oats and rich hay (death by NSC....can take a couple decades depending the situation and what the negative effect is, but it will shorten their life in some manner).

Anything with grain is something to avoid.

Use beet pulp (very nutritious, with miniscule NSC and all fiber which is good for their hindgut). Copra, which is very nutritious and super digestible (most, if not all, gets absorbed while in the foregut) and again negligible NSC. Just remember to keep the mineral ratios correct. In the case of beet pulp and copra, beet pulp is very high in Ca, but has virtually no P. While copra is high in P but lower in Ca (which the opposite ratio of what a horse needs....so if you mix them about 50/50 and you'll get the ratio of Ca to P around right). Just avoid anything with grain. Think of it as eating a pound of bacon with every meal and pound of fatback with Sunday dinner. Taste great and it won't kill you right off, but eventually the body will pay a price for it.
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post #34 of 37 Old 02-12-2020, 09:39 PM Thread Starter
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Run, don't walk, away from this.

The top ingredients list grains. Corn (highest NSC at about 70%), barley (second highest NSC at over 50%), and the grains they are not specifying is likely oats (lowest NSC of all grains at about 40-45%). NSC is to horses what fat is to humans. Some is needed, but very little. A horse's digestive systems is designed to normally deal with a bit less than 15% (but I use 15 since it's easy to remember LOL). Just as too much fat ultimately harms humans, too much NSC is the slow and silent killer of horses. Secretariat was put down at 19 as the result of laminitis (the number cause being to much NSC in their diet). He was feed a diet of oats and rich hay (death by NSC....can take a couple decades depending the situation and what the negative effect is, but it will shorten their life in some manner).

Anything with grain is something to avoid.

Use beet pulp (very nutritious, with miniscule NSC and all fiber which is good for their hindgut). Copra, which is very nutritious and super digestible (most, if not all, gets absorbed while in the foregut) and again negligible NSC. Just remember to keep the mineral ratios correct. In the case of beet pulp and copra, beet pulp is very high in Ca, but has virtually no P. While copra is high in P but lower in Ca (which the opposite ratio of what a horse needs....so if you mix them about 50/50 and you'll get the ratio of Ca to P around right). Just avoid anything with grain. Think of it as eating a pound of bacon with every meal and pound of fatback with Sunday dinner. Taste great and it won't kill you right off, but eventually the body will pay a price for it.
Not feeding this feed ,using alfalfa cubes and a few handfuls of copra. Yes I'm avoiding grain for my horses.

I gave the bag of feed to a friend she feeds grain.
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Does the oil cause manure to be rank smelling??
Not as far as I know. If it is rank smelling that is usually from an acidic hindgut. Have you tried giving him a course of probiotics?
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post #36 of 37 Old 02-13-2020, 12:23 AM
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Not feeding this feed ,using alfalfa cubes and a few handfuls of copra. Yes I'm avoiding grain for my horses.

I gave the bag of feed to a friend she feeds grain.
Unlike beet pulp, I always found copra tough to hold in my hand since it's a powder. I have to measure it out with a scoop.

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@gottatrot , yes he's on probiotics has been. Been using probios supposedly it helps with appetite.

He gets two cups of the copra 1 am 1 cup pm feeding. Two handfuls of alfalfa cubes twice a day.
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