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post #11 of 21 Old 07-28-2018, 07:19 AM
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There is a couple that I am friends with. They are the type that truly love their animals and take as good of care of them as anyone I have seen.

They put out a warning yesterday that people need to check their horses in training and I thought I would pass it on. They sent a started five-year-old gelding to a trainer they knew for thirty days. The horse was in good condition.

The horse came back with a body score of 1, a large cinch sore and a severe lameness. It is possible he will never be sound again, but they are looking at a year of rehab in the least.

Their hopes is that if they let people know what happened everyone will check on their horses at the trainerís.
This is horrible. Definitely an important message to get out to folks.

IMO your friends should seriously consider suing this "trainer" for animal abuse and anything else a good lawyer can come up with. Pictures will back up their case, and hopefully keep other owners & horses safe from this abuse.
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post #12 of 21 Old 07-28-2018, 11:32 AM Thread Starter
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It is horrible! I am lucky @Dreamcatcher Arabians that I have not sent a horse out ever. I cannot imagine this quandary of even different ideas of how things should be done. Seeing someone do something training wise I didnít like to my horse would be awful.

Much worse is something like this. I of course would do something, but I think it is an important message for people to know to check. I wouldnít have thought to.

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post #13 of 21 Old 07-28-2018, 02:45 PM
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It is horrible! I am lucky @Dreamcatcher Arabians that I have not sent a horse out ever. I cannot imagine this quandary of even different ideas of how things should be done. Seeing someone do something training wise I didnít like to my horse would be awful.

Much worse is something like this. I of course would do something, but I think it is an important message for people to know to check. I wouldnít have thought to.
30 years ago, I wouldn't have thought to be as proactive as I am. But, after hearing some horror stories, I started being very involved when I sent horses out. Even so, I frequently had to send them out of state, which meant I couldn't check as often as I would have liked. Fortunately, I've had 10 good experiences for every bad one. Right after the business with the guy training my horse English, I sent that horse down to TX to a trainer and I don't have enough GOOD to say about him. I actually had 5 horses with that trainer and every single one of them came back better than when I sent them. So, it's possible to find a good trainer, you just need to be aware.
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post #14 of 21 Old 07-28-2018, 04:43 PM
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Completely agree! I feel it’s important to be proactive within any relationship with an equine professional such as a trainer, instructor, farrier, etc. Usually it’s the trainers that don’t want you to be involved or question things that you have to watch out for. There are definitely excellent trainers out there as well, but it can be a bit of a gamble unless you know the trainer really well. I’ve also found that the horse world tends to attract more overly confident individuals and have personally known a few trainers with this personality that would refuse to admit a horse sent to them may not match well with them or be suited to their particular approach to training. This usually results in frustration For both parties.
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post #15 of 21 Old 07-28-2018, 04:54 PM
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I had one trainer tell me condescendingly "All trainers lie about how often they work a horse. Go in any trainers barn and you will find them tied up in the stall just like I do."

I was very tempted to tell him off!!

But since I was just boarding at that barn and didn't want any problems, I played Dumb Blond and told him I didn't know much about training western pleasure horses
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post #16 of 21 Old 07-28-2018, 05:19 PM Thread Starter
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@Jolly101 I am sure that is the case! Most trainers are likely spectacular horsemen or why do it. I am sure that 99% of the time things are great, but I also agree that not all horses and methods click.

@AnitaAnne Iím sure that was frustrating to see! I have seen things too that I donít like, but I walk away from whatís not my business unless it were something I felt I couldnít. Luckily Iíve never been in that position.
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post #17 of 21 Old 07-28-2018, 05:52 PM
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Quite appropriate to this thread is @evilamc 's journal about her trainer, and her troubles with her. Very interesting read too.
https://www.horseforum.com/member-jo...539762/page29/
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post #18 of 21 Old 02-22-2019, 03:23 PM
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Came across this older thread and thought I would revive it because training season will be starting up across large parts of the US very soon in those parts of the US where training tends to be seasonal.

I do most of my own training now days and have for a while but there are still things I will hire a professional trainer to do, especially if I am turning a horse around for sale and want some specific thing highly polished that I am not particularly good at e.g. roping out of the box, barrel racing, pole bending etc. I used to have a trainer that worked for me and handled all my horses and he was amazing. He grew up Amish and left that community behind to get married to his wife who is Mennonite and had been training horses as a business for over 40 years when I first hired him. Really good trainer, but then he retired so I started training my own with his help and eventually just by myself.

Last year I got in a horse that I wanted polished for something very specific and so I asked around and got the name of a guy who was highly recommended by my farrier's girl friend. I don't like to send horses away further than I can go check on them every afternoon and sit in on a couple of their training sessions per week. I figured I would try this guy and because he was further away than I would have liked I would go check on the horse every five days. Now this horse was the quietest sweetest little gelding you could have ever hoped for, would come to his name when called like a dog and could do a lot of other tricks too. Absolutely loved people and would even go for walks with you with no halter or rope etc. if you wanted to go for an evening walk. He just enjoyed the company of people. Five days later I show up to see him at the trainers and he is alone in a round pen with no food or water, the special feed I left for him is scattered all over the barn by the dogs, he has a severe infection in both eyes, is covered in bot fly larva, and won't get anywhere near people without shaking like a leaf. I put in him in my trailer and took him home and called the trainer and let him know I wouldn't be needing his services any further or ever again. Five days, that was all it took to go from healthy and shiny to shivering wreck.

It took me two-ish months to get him back to where he was prior to going to that trainer and back to loving people again. I never did get him polished for the event stuff I originally sent him there for, a young girl who wanted a 4-H halter showing horse and a general pet horse wanted him so I sold him to her for probably a tenth of what he was worth so he would go to a home where I know he is loved and cared for and babied after that horrible experience at that trainer I felt I owed the horse a chance at a long very restful life.

Five days folks, it can happen that fast, so be super careful about who you send your horses to and check on them as often as possible.
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post #19 of 21 Old 02-22-2019, 03:42 PM
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I have a horse at a trainer's now. Luckily only an hour away, and I try to get there a couple times a week to watch her sessions. I do not like that she is in a stall most of the time -- and I know it depresses her, she has hardly been in a stall in her whole life (she's 14). She isn't getting the care I would give her. But, she IS getting trained, or rather, re-trained. She came to me with some terrible baggage, that I could not get her past, and this guy is doing it. So I have to accept some things. I would be afraid to send a horse anywhere that I could not check on them very regularly.
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post #20 of 21 Old 02-23-2019, 11:42 PM
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Yeah, regardless of wonderous looking facilities, recommendations of others... still check. I sent one of my horses to a trainer, when my eldest was a baby & I couldn't deal. I thought I'd done my research enough, found a 'top notch' training facility who was recommended by a lot of 'show types', and who I'd had extensive phone convos with, which seemed like it would be awesome - if expensive & a long way from home! My horse was booked to have a month at least there, for some general riding as he was young & green & I had 'baby brain'.

After the first week, I went to see him... this overly friendly, trusting boy was AFRAID of anyone coming in his paddock gate! I was told he was extremely difficult for the man(his main trainer) to catch, so a young girl was enlisted to get him & take him alone to a stable each morning to await the guy(he'd never been stabled before & one thing they were big on - in theory only I was to find - was that you shouldn't just dump a horse in a scary situation like that without prior preparation so they won't stress about it). He took a few minutes for me to convince him to come to me. This easygoing horse was uptight & tense generally. He had sores over his nose from a too tight halter having been left on for the week & sores at the corners of his mouth from the bit they told me they wouldn't use(as he was green & I'd only started him bitless, I'd requested they continue that way & they agreed).

I had a lesson on him while I was there, from the young girl who caught him - never even got to speak to the supposed trainer in person, he'd 'passed the buck' to the girl, who told me she'd been working with him the last few days. Despite our copious prior discussions about techniques, the lesson was a nightmare - this girl did dressage, I rode more 'western', and she kept telling me I was using opposite aids... obviously my horse was very confused, to have been taught to do the opposite for the last week, of what he'd learned with me previously. Then the guy walked past(didn't even acknowledge us) & my horse nearly had a meltdown! He panicked & spun & if he hadn't been well conditioned to a 'one rein stop' I don't know if I could have stopped him running in terror!

The next day, I took the float & picked him up. Not only was the week itself expensive, but it took a lot of time, effort & heartache to get him (mostly) over the hangups he gained in that short week. Many years later, he's still nervous of strange men, very 'separation anxious' to be left alone or stabled, if he's stressed about anything, he still gapes his mouth & throws his head back when I go to take off the halter, as he obviously learned to do with an uncomfortable bit.
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Some info I've found helpful; [COLOR=Lime][B]www.horseforum.com/horse-health/hoof-lameness-info-horse-owners-89836/
For taking critique pics; [COLOR=Lime][B]https://www.horseforum.com/members/41...res-128437.jpg
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