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post #11 of 17 Old 07-04-2016, 01:19 PM
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Hello. Thank you for reading my post. IRAP has not been clinically verified by a published multi million dollar study in the USA for tendons and ligaments. (Yet!) That is why it's contraindicated. Go to Europe and the answer will probably be different. I'll dig up a reference for this from a USA vet college. When my horse strained a sesmoidial I researched the daylights out of all this. My vet has said that many people would love to pay him to get their knees done but ethically that's not possible. But in Europe it is a procedure that may be had. Pharmaceutical companies have a strangle hold on medicine in this country. I have stock in a couple, best investments I've ever made. They have one or two top shelf drugs that bring in billions so why spend time figuring out a plan B when plan A is making so much money. Example: Type 2 diabetes is reversible in many cases, but insulin, test strips, specialty packaged junk foods, fancy drinks, etc., cost my dad's insurance a 1000 plus bucks a month. Out of pocket we probably pay 10 %. When he stopped drinking alcohol, limited junk food, and took a walk a day, his blood sugar went down to normal and he went off insulin. Done. And a couple months into not buying these products dad started getting robo calls about diabetes products. Then the coupons started showing up. This is a long winded explanation as to why IRAP isn't used. The cost analysis breakdown hasn't shown that it'll make enough money for all the right entities to put money into a study that will definitively show its effectiveness. Or lack of effectiveness. Because of the lack of studies in the USA, it's not recommended (in publications) as a treatment, in the USA, for several types of injuries we are indeed using it for in practical applications. I have injured knees and friends in Europe. In another few years I may be taking a trip. Extended holiday. Lots of rest and relaxation.
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I will say I have seen AMAZING success in my own mare with herbal products. BUT these were well researched purchased pure and dosed into her feed by me after running by a trusted veterinarian.

I would definitely not be one to "pooh pooh" the product, after all it's just a mixture of herbal products that are already commonly used and proven effective.

I DO question the validity of the actual product and company and all the claims made, there is a right way and a wrong way to market a supplement.

I will continue buying and mixing my own stuff, at a fraction of the price of this product (stop pretending it's cheap!)
Yogiwick what do you mix together.
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post #13 of 17 Old 10-01-2016, 02:25 PM
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Yogiwick what do you mix together.
I don't "mix it" persay. Just mix into feed. I have done multiple things but she is currently on u-gard and aloe 2x/day as well as a SmartPak with Omega 3s and probiotics. I use Ulcergard for flare ups and used a short course to jump start treatment, and when I can come up with thousands of dollars to do an actual scope/treat thing I will! That has been working very well for us. I would like to try Succeed as I believe she has hindgut issues as well, it's a great supplement so I hope it works for her.

There is a lot of info out there for herbal remedies, and I would treat any horse with ulcers herbally with or without omeprazole treatment as well.

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I don't "mix it" persay. Just mix into feed. I have done multiple things but she is currently on u-gard and aloe 2x/day as well as a SmartPak with Omega 3s and probiotics. I use Ulcergard for flare ups and used a short course to jump start treatment, and when I can come up with thousands of dollars to do an actual scope/treat thing I will! That has been working very well for us. I would like to try Succeed as I believe she has hindgut issues as well, it's a great supplement so I hope it works for her.

There is a lot of info out there for herbal remedies, and I would treat any horse with ulcers herbally with or without omeprazole treatment as well.
Actually there is NOT a lot of info out there for herbal remedies, if you eliminate old lore, sales pitches, and claims without any scientific basis. "He got well therefore it worked" is a few quality grades down from a peer reviewed study based on a significant statistical sample.

At least something like omeprazole we do have lots of long and short-term peer-reviewed studies and many thousands of case reports. There are known positives and negatives to it. I stay away from herbal remedies just because I can't get much hard evidence about them at all. My guess is that most of them are both harmless and ineffective. But that's a guess!

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^I am not saying not to use omeprazole but it's a fact that it doesn't directly heal the ulcers. Hence why even if I were actively treating for ulcers (what I would recommend of course) I would do additional treatment as well.

I have also been on omeprazole myself personally and let me tell you those negatives are a lot worse than you think!! Once you've been on a bunch of medications you start to truly understand how they often make things worse instead of better and while sometimes necessary are almost more of a "necessary evil" and better do go without *if* you can.

I have never advocated for doing 100% herbal over actively treating a horse with known ulcers. But actively treating is thousands of dollars so in my case I found a solution (still using omeprazole). I'm definitely NOT a "hocus pocus" person XD. I have done LOTS of research and everything has been cross checked/recommended by several veterinarians. If I win the lottery I would definitely do a full course of omeprazole treatment... and then you have to worry about re-occurrence.
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. To be terribly factual, the body heals ulcers -- and all other wounds. What medications and treatments do is enable or assist healing. Omeprazole is a very safe medication, as western medicines go. I have taken it off and on for many years myself.

I'm not against alternative medicine at all. I've had about 45 years of experience with it -- I live in one of its biggest centers, after all. All my experience suggests that it is far more likely to be side-effect-free than western medicine. It is also far more likely to have no discernible effects at all.

For example, yesterday my teacher hosted a seminar in equine bodywork and aromatherapy. At which I bought a bottle of 'trailer calm' blended essential oils because why not? I arrived with a headache and one of the seminar leaders treated me with a special blend for headaches (she does people too). Did it make my headache go away? Nope.

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post #17 of 17 Old 10-03-2016, 12:21 PM
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I was going to rec omeprazole as well tbh
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