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post #1 of 19 Old 11-16-2019, 04:52 PM Thread Starter
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ulcers & sucralfate

Have just heard of a product called sucralfate which is meant to be helpful for hind gut ulcers. It is apparently aluminium sugar & coats the ulcers, allowing them to heal.

Experience anyone? Pros & cons? Side effects? Effectiveness?

I've had good results in feeding GastroAid, recommended by Dr Kerry Ridgeway, to an OT horse of mine, the only thing that's helped. But it seems that manages them more so than treating - if she's not on it for some time, she starts sucking her tongue & drops condition.

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I've used sucralfate to treat my gelding for hindgut ulcers. Worked great for him no side effects that I could tell. Also worked to treat gastric ulcers.

Found it took care of both gastric an hindgut. Better then Omeprazole did,seemed like after a few weeks off Omeprazole. His ulcer symptoms would come back.
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What is prescribed here is a mix of omeprazole and sucralfate. It's the go-to for ulcers. Can't speak to its effectiveness though. I treated Harley with it for 3 months, but I don't know that it changed anything.
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Acadian....do you still administer those medications or adverse conditions present again?
Or did you treat for 3 months and now treatment is discontinued cause healing took place and issue is now a non-issue?
If you no longer administer then I would take that as a healing...

I was under the impression that treating, healing of hind-gut ulcers is almost impossible the flora & fauna are so delicate and upset very easily in this part of the digestive tract.
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Sucralfate has been around a long time in the U.S. It is by prescription only here.

Omeprazole has never done a lot for Joker.

I read about another product, and the lady's success with it, so I researched it.

Egusin

It's an OTC product and is fed in two phases - the SLH first, the 250 second. Of course it is not cheap - nothing ever is, if it stands a chance of working on a serious issue:(

I noticed improvement in Joker within a few days of starting the SLH. He finished that, is on his second tub of the 250. I will feed him one more tub of the 250, then wean him off.

It is almost the same as "Succeed", which did not help Joker, but something's different as he is feeling 100% better, eyes softer, more manure in the stall stomach rounder, I can rake his tummy with the Furminator without him objecting.

I've also been reading up on marshmallow root to coat the stomach after the Egusin is used up. I read another success story about that, as a preventative
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Acadian....do you still administer those medications or adverse conditions present again?
Or did you treat for 3 months and now treatment is discontinued cause healing took place and issue is now a non-issue?
If you no longer administer then I would take that as a healing...

I was under the impression that treating, healing of hind-gut ulcers is almost impossible the flora & fauna are so delicate and upset very easily in this part of the digestive tract.
If you have had success and healing...that is a wonderful piece of information shared with us all.
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I wish I could say it worked. There seemed to be improvement, but it was temporary.

So as I've posted before, each fall, Harley gets diarrhea. Coupled with the fact that his previous owners gave him dewormers MONTHLY, it was fair to assume he had ulcers. He isn't girthy, doesn't react the way horses supposedly react when they have ulcers (I'm sure you've seen the video that helps diagnose ulcers). But it comes back each fall. I discussed scoping with the vet, but he felt that it would be better just to treat to see if there was improvement. After three months, the diarrhea improved, but did not resolve not completely. The only thing that will make it go away in any permanent way is going back on grass.

I did ask for a Succeed test, which is non-invasive and relatively cheap. He was a mild positive on that. When I tried to do another test after we finished treatment, it was inconclusive.

That's why I really can't say one way or another whether the treatment was effective. There may be something else going on which is not related to ulcers at all. Something in the grass, some enzyme, that helps him digest. I wish I knew what... because we're back at it and he has bad diarrhea again. I'm saving my money to bring in a vet from outside who has a reputation for diagnosing difficult cases.
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I've also been reading up on marshmallow root to coat the stomach after the Egusin is used up. I read another success story about that, as a preventative
Have also tried marshmallow root and slippery elm bark which, again, provided temporary relief, but not a permanent solution in that the diarrhea always returns. But since I don't even know that ulcers are the issue for Harley, I'm obviously not the right person to be giving advice on treating ulcers.
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I've taken Carafate. Same drug different dose, non generic. The way it was explained to me is that it acts similar to liquid band aid. It coats and sticks to ulcerations allowing them to heal. It won't prevent ulcers though.
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I've taken Carafate. Same drug different dose, non generic. The way it was explained to me is that it acts similar to liquid band aid. It coats and sticks to ulcerations allowing them to heal. It won't prevent ulcers though.
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I'm obviously not the right person to be giving advice on treating ulcers.
I would not say that^^^^^ lollol.

We all need to comment as to what worked (or didn't ) in our particular situations.

My beloved Duke (RIP) was on Suceed for 2-1/2 years; it stopped his colics for that long. It was a tremendous help for his hind gut ulcers and seemed to somehow keep the strangulating lipomas quiet. Then one Sunday he had a huge colic there was no coming back from. The Succeed had worked to give him two more years of quality life the vet had not given him.

So I put Joker on Succeed for 90 days but it didn't help him one bit. This Egusin, however, has been the same miracle for Joker, the Succeed was for Duke. The best part is neither product is an RX.

It's not meant for long term use, thus the marshmallow root. I ordered human grade from an organic place in Oregon because DH is also going to try it. He's been on 2-3 different meds for an inflamed esophagus; nothing has worked and the last one made him sick.

Anyway, my point is to throw ideas out for others to think about -- even though there's always going to be that one percent that won't pay attention & will not do their own research. They will run right out to buy whatever's being talked about because it is being talked about.

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