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post #11 of 18 Old 02-06-2020, 01:59 PM
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Fly predators are tiny insects that feed on either the flies or the larvae, killing them. You turn them loose when the weather/climate is right for flies to be present and they know what to do.

For the simplifly to work it would need to be used on all horses in that location and it does not prevent others from coming in but it will reduce the numbers significantly of what would have been there had a feed through larvacide not been used.

Feeds should be fed by weight not volume so if you have a way to weigh your feed or let us know the size scoop you are using it would help.

I would ask who decided on the schedule and feeds they are currently on? Are they boarded or at home? Are your parents experienced or other adults in your family? If the mare isn't holding weight while in work on what she is currently at something needs to be adjusted or added. Knowing whether they are stalled or have access to pasture or free feed hay and how much time they have on the pasture or hay could make a difference in what is suggested.

You say the older mare shows twice a month. Are you the only rider? How much and what level of activity is she ridden? For the younger - what type of work or activity level?

Some horse people change their horse, they change their tack and discipline, they change their instructor; they never change themselves.

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Oh, that is interesting. Thank you so much for the feedback, I will have to try it. Where do you normally get them?
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I'm still learning about complete nutrition, but hopefully I can be of some help with what I do know :)

Have you had their hay tested yet? This is something I suggest for anyone trying to balance their horses nutrition. If you wanted to be really accurate, you could do a hay test and blood test to see where the baseline value lie, then fill in the nutrition gaps as necessary.

First, I'll mention a few nutrients that need to be kept at certain ratios in order to be absorbed properly. Imbalances in one nutrient affects the absorbance of another nutrient in the ratios. For example, high iron will prevent copper and zinc absorption.

- Calcium: Phosphorous at a 2:1 ratio. Recommended Min Ca is 20g to 14g of P (2007, The National Acadamies).

- Iron (Fe):Copper (Cu):Zinc (Zn): Maganese (Mn) at a 4:1:4:4 ratio. fe has been recommended to be at The National Acadamies (2007, Nutritional Requirements) at a min of 400mg, thus Cu needs to be at least at 100mg


Harper: am & pm

One full scoop of soaked alfalfa cubes (High in Calcium, usually low in Phosphorous; However, not normally an issue in itself, as Ca values are not super high here)

Half a scoop of shredded beet pulp
3/4 of a scoop of Seminole wellness dyna sport

One thing I really like about this feed is that it has no Iron! Iron is usually vastly available in the environment and is often provided in access, but can still be deficient in certain circumstances.

Now for calculations (someone check my math):

Assuming that the full scoop of feed weighs 3.2lbs, and 3/4 of that is 2.4 lbs, then:

Amount of Zinc (Zn) in 50lbs bag= 120 mg/ kg

Amount of Zn per lbs= 120 mg/ kg divided by 2.2 lbs/ 1 kg = 54.55 mg/lbs

Amount of Zn per serving (2.4lbs) = 54.55 mg/ lbs x 2.4lbs = 130.92 mg of Zn

Copper (Cu)= 49.1 mg per 2.4 lbs

Both these minerals are low in this supplement. The ratio within this supplement is almost at a 3:1 ratio, so a little low for Cu to Zn, and unless your horse is getting enough of these elsewhere, then he will be deficient.

one ounce of electrolytes
two ounces of biotin B7
two teaspoons of probios
two quarter - ounces of MSM
and one ounce of Similifly
two flakes t/a and one flake coastal

Need the exact units of these other supplements. Although, from my knowledge, biotin and MSM shouldn't hurt. There is some evidence that indicates that long-term MSM usage may deplete Calcium levels.

I also agree that the hay is very little (if that is all he is getting in one day) and more hay would benefit your horse in many ways. 1) Your horse needs the extra nutrition that the hay will offer since he is not getting everything he needs in his diet and 2) Little hay can increase risk of a series of digestive issues including ulcer complications. Your horse should be eating 1.5-2% of his body weight per day


Summer: am & pm
One full scoop of soaked alfalfa cubes
3/4 of a scoop of ProElite growth
Using the same 2.4lbs, your horse would be getting 70mg of Cu, 212.7 mg Zn, 218.2 mg Fe, and 163.6 mg Mn; A 1:3:3:2 Ratio. Now, keep in mind that certain nutrients, such as Iron and Maganese can be abundant in other sources and this is why testing the hay can be so beneficial, because we otherwise have to guess how much other nutrients the horse is getting elsewhere (through hay and environment). This isn't very accurate and can be vastly different to the actual values. NRC estimates that most forages contain a range of 40-140 milligrams Mn per kilogram of dry matter, which, even on the low end, should be sufficient for most horses. This grain appears to have adequate levels of other nutrient. Although I have recently come across that the presence of Iron will interfere with Vit E bioavailbility. Although that is not something I've entirely looked at yet.
one ounce of electrolytes
one ounce of biotin
two teaspoons of probios
two quarter - ounces of MSM
and two ounce of Similifly
two flakes t/a and one flake coastal

Same comment on hay as above

Values taken from: https://nrc88.nas.edu/nrh/

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omg, thank you so much. What are your suggestions? And how much hay should they be getting, currently they get 6 flakes a day, 3 in the am and 3 in the pm.
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omg, thank you so much. What are your suggestions? And how much hay should they be getting, currently they get 6 flakes a day, 3 in the am and 3 in the pm.

Feeding really is a matter of feeding by weight rather than volume, it's too simple for a lot of boarding facilities to feed a flake or two when there's such variation in the weight of each flake depending on the bale and how the flakes break apart. I board, but I do self-care so that means I'm able to weigh my hay with a fish scale and I can get flakes that weigh 7 or 8 lbs or flakes that weigh 5 lbs. Knowing how much my horse needs, I'll tend to vary the heavier flakes for dinner, and then supplement the lighter breakfast flake with a mid-day/early afternoon refill so he gets the same numbers The same thing goes with using feed scoops. Are they big scoops or little ones? There's a lot of variation there. I use a 5 pint scoop to scoop my mare's hay cubes into a bucket for weighing, and a little 1 quart scoop for their horse feed. There's a difference between the two sizes, and I have a food scale with a tare function to get it right (makes me feel like some kind of chemist in a lab or something, lol)
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Horses that can't keep weight on should have hay in front of them at all times if possible.

Whatever else you feed, that should be the baseline.

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The fly predators can be ordered from Valley Vet or Spaulding Labs

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post #18 of 18 Old 02-08-2020, 08:34 PM
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omg, thank you so much. What are your suggestions? And how much hay should they be getting, currently they get 6 flakes a day, 3 in the am and 3 in the pm.
I'm just going to echo here what CaliforniaDreaming said. The actual unit (lbs, g etc) of feed/ hay is most important when balancing nutrition. Quantity matters. Same thing with us. We will get more nutrients out of eating a full serving vs only a bite or two.

To determine if your horse is getting enough hay, I'd recommend getting a scale to measure out the flakes per day. You can also use this to measure grain, etc. Then you'd be able to see what percentage of your horse's approximate weight he'd be getting.

Not crazy about only 2 servings per day. Do they get hay in the pasture too? I know a lot of barns feed this way as it is more cost efficient, but It is not the best nor healthiest way to do things. First off, extending feeding beyond 5 hours increases the risk of ulcers. Unlike us, horses produce nearly consistent stomach acid and the acid is neutralized when they create buffers by eating. That is not to say that they need to be eating 24/7 (as has often been recommended) but that they should be foraging every few hours, particularly if they are already having trouble keeping weight.
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