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post #1 of 45 Old 06-02-2012, 04:06 AM Thread Starter
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Why are we still torturing horses with the original cinch and rigging?

I was'nt sure where to post this, but since my main concern is the health and welfare of my horse, this is where I decided to start. Why are we still torturing our horses with a strap that goes across their heart girth? Why is the cinch still all bunched up against tight against an area my horse needs freedom of movement? Why is the saddle still allowed to rise up and down and rub against my horse?

I have a patent pending on a completely new design in cinches as well as the rigging. My cinch uses four anchor points and continues under the barrel of my horse in a X shape. In the four years I have had my filly, I have never been able to use the stirrups to mount....unless I torture my baby by making the cinch uncomfortably tight. For the past four trail rides..I am the only one that can get on and off her horse..with NO assistance. My pad never slips, My horse loves my cinch. She has stopped throwing her head. I will never torture on more horse I ride with that barbaric cinching method. The rigging is totally revolutionary...it is clip clip pull, pull and you are done.

I took this video today..just for an example...

This girl has only ridden two times before this, she looks like a natural. The saddle never slips.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whjVo4v3AQI
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post #2 of 45 Old 06-02-2012, 04:44 AM
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Well, are you planning on showing us this rigging system?
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post #3 of 45 Old 06-02-2012, 04:51 AM
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My pad doesn't slip, my horse is comfortable, and I can mount perfectly fine( unlike your 4 friends). Why should I be interested in this product? Can we see it?
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I think there is already products out there like what you described. I think they are called crossfire rigging or center fire rigging? They attach to the front and rear of the saddle and the cinch is placed farther back than normal.

I've not had the problems you've described. I do tighten my saddle up pretty snug at first but after riding a short bit, it isn't overly tight on the horse. If I wanted to, I could tighten it more but my saddle doesn't slip, even getting off and on. Usually my cinch isn't right behind the front legs like you say so I don't have a problem with it bothering the horses movement.

I will agree that some people have those problems. However, if they are on the heavy side or don't have a saddle that fits the horse, I don't think a different rigging would fix it.

Good luck anyway with your idea.
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Well, this'll be good market research for you. I see very little demand for an invention like that. I've yet to meet a girth sour horse that did not either have an underlying issue or had been cinched up too harshly in the past. Investigating medical issues and/or care and patience has always greatly improved or resolved the issue for me. If you want to claim that an everyday piece of tack is cruel and barbaric then you'd best back that up with some research - I have never seen any signs of discomfort or restricted breathing/movement under normal conditions with a standard girth/cinch. If the girth is properly done up the saddle does not move around and rub - if that is happening then the saddle does not fit properly.
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My pad doesn't slip, my horse is comfortable, and I can mount perfectly fine( unlike your 4 friends). Why should I be interested in this product? Can we see it?
You shouldn't be, if your horse is happy with your current cinch and rigging. I am not into fixing things that are not broken. If your horse is happy, one less horse I will think about. I was out of horses for the most part for over 20 years. I guess I assumed that while I was gone, the few things that were the cause of stress for me..and more importantly my horse. Number one. The cinching. In 4 h we were taught to kick our horses in the stomach. That was more than i could stomach. I think I did that twice. Then I found out on my own you could walk them and then adjust cinch, as well as learning how to swing up by using the horn ( I am always trying things my own way)

But I digress, so back into horses. And what do i find? The same archaic method I used in 6th grade. I ride with a hackamore..that I added cushion and felt to. I wanted my filly before she was ever born. She is one of my best karma payoffs. I am giving lessons to three young girls ..everytime...they have trouble..I have to check cinch. I don't even like doing one cinch, let alone 3. I ride for the enjoyment. That is not enjoyable for me when animals are stressed. I feel everything. I have been rescuing animals with pet assistance for over 20 years, because I am driven to stop the suffering of as many animals as I can, practically, . Even if it is one at a time. I am so driven , I have continued to answer the call at the risk of my marriage (how that can risk my marriage for 29 years,I do not understand, but whatever) . So one day I had an idea..lol I have those all the time. And I started playing with it in my head. I came up with this system..I made a mock prototype..and I have not used the old cinch since. And I never will. That was before I learned what I have learned in my researching for the past month. I never knew horses were left and right handed. or that we place the cinch on the heart girth, restricting the breathing.or that every step my horse took, with a saddle on. the saddle was shifting, because the back of the saddle was not secured down.

I know that when I trailer my boat..or horse..I want that trailer to feel like it is one with my truck. So that I can almost forget it is there. I know that the cinch the way it is now is designed to slip. the cinch and the slip are in the same direction. So it either had to be soooo tight she can't breath..or so loose I couldn't get on without assistance. I felt trapped up there. I know that teddy the morgan on the ranch starts freaking out as soon as he sees the saddle pad. I can feel his discomfort...and when he is cinched I can see it. I found out why hexy probably swishes her tail and starts to stomp her back foot halfway through the trail ride, or that she isnt bar spoiled..she wants to get home and get that cinch off......

I only just received patent pending, today. So I couldn't even discuss it,to find out if there was any interest in it..but the more I research, the more desperate I become to stop the suffering that is going on. So I had to act as soon as I could. I am starting out by just getting the word out there. I have twelve months now to perfect the product. I will take more videos over the weekend of the rigging and the cinch. I will also take video of my horse..while she checks to make sure it is our cinch..which by the way..we call Simple Cinch, is the one I am putting on her..when she finds that it is..she drops her head and and takes a little cat nap..while I ..click click..pull pull ..done

This is my filly. She is my pride and joy. I rescued ( in my opinion) her from my sister..who has her Dam and two younger sisters.
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Well, are you planning on showing us this rigging system?
<smile> yes..yes I am. I may not be going about the sales of my product in the most productive manner. because to tell true...the business part of this is not my largest concern. I do have people for that ..but I am passionate about stirring up interest because the sooner I do, the sooner other horses may find relief.
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I always ask a different question when I see products like this - "Why do people who have re-invented the wheel feel the need to make the argument that the old wheel was cruel?"

Also, no wonder your saddle slips on mounting if that is how you mount. You should bounce up, not pull yourself up using the saddle. You are doing more damage to your horse using this rigging system - instead of causing the saddle to slip when you clamber up so lazily, you are causing her whole spine to twist as you haul yourself up using her as a ladder.
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On a side note. I can't tell you how much of a difference it is having the saddle locked down..and causing no discomfort for my horse. It does not budge. My horse is so happy with it..and that makes me so happy.
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I always ask a different question when I see products like this - "Why do people who have re-invented the wheel feel the need to make the argument that the old wheel was cruel?"

Also, no wonder your saddle slips on mounting if that is how you mount. You should bounce up, not pull yourself up using the saddle. You are doing more damage to your horse using this rigging system - instead of causing the saddle to slip when you clamber up so lazily, you are causing her whole spine to twist as you haul yourself up using her as a ladder.
Are you saying I am wrong about the slide being the same direction of the cinch? Because I am a certified machinist, and I can tell you if you wanted some slide..that is the direction you would put the cinch.

And what about the fact that the back rises..and shifts..even if you cant feel it, horses are..according to my research. And what about the fact that the back cinch does nothing ..and is way too far back. I am not lazy..I ride motocross, I wakeboard...I am not a lazy or un-athletic. But I am no spring chicken..and I have had knee surgery, I would rather not blow it out again. Or what about the fact that there are cinchy horses being creating daily? I am not doing anything but trying to make what I enjoy, the most enjoyable as possible for my horse first..than myself. And I have worked with a brain damaged patient..guess how that head injury happened? Saddle slipped. So every saddle that slips is because someone is lazy? And how about the fact that the old cinch placement sucks. Would you want a strap over your heart and binding under your arms..if they were the two legs you led with .

<smile> just curious..so you would rather have a not round wheel?
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