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post #111 of 236 Old 02-24-2019, 01:49 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks for the tip on Manuka Honey. I've written it down and I'll look it up. I'll try anything that will help Piper. I sure appreciate it! <3
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post #112 of 236 Old 02-24-2019, 01:49 PM
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Could be true, but also, you don't know the condition of the panels. I've seen panels used that were rusted and waiting for an accident to happen.
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post #113 of 236 Old 02-24-2019, 01:56 PM Thread Starter
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@Walkamile Yes, that's what I was thinking. They never wanted me or anyone else to see the pen that Piper was in. So I called her Farrier who had gone out there a couple of times and I asked him if he saw the enclosure Piper was being kept in. Even he said they always just brought her out to him from behind the house somewhere. There is no telling what kind of condition those panels where in. Now that Piper is moved I will probably never find out. Thanks for your post!
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post #114 of 236 Old 02-24-2019, 02:57 PM
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Do you think she really could have done this by getting her legs stuck in round-pen or ranch panels? If so, I owe someone an apology. It just made no sense to me how Piper could have done this on a ranch panel. But when I'm wrong, I'm the first to admit it. Your story about the colt gives me hope. Thank you for posting it! The PF wondersalve arrived and I'll be bringing it with me tomorrow. I can't wait to see Piper. <3
She is way more likely to have done it on the panels than on a wire fence it is very doubtful you would get such an injury with wire.

Personally I would never have any form of panels to keep a horse enclosed as there's is always the danger of getting a foot through it.

I would be surprised if the panel wasn't damaged though.
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post #115 of 236 Old 02-24-2019, 04:25 PM
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@Pipersmom I think she could have done it on panels. I know a couple have broken their legs on panels. It doesnít necessarily look to me like wire either. It looks like maybe she kicked both legs through something solid...
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post #116 of 236 Old 02-24-2019, 05:14 PM
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The problem with Manuka honey is that A) it is expensive, B) more often than not it actually contains very little Manuka C) it is so messy to use.

Although this has not reported on Manuka honey in the US I have no doubt any testing would come to the same conclusion.


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As a result of the high premium paid for mānuka honey, an increasing number of products now labelled as such worldwide are counterfeit or adulterated. According to research by UMFHA, the main trade association of New Zealand mānuka honey producers, whereas 1,700 tons of mānuka honey are made there annually representing almost all the world's production, some 10,000 tons of produce is being sold internationally as mānuka honey, including 1,800 tons in the UK.[11] In governmental agency tests in the UK between 2011 and 2013, a majority of mānuka-labelled honeys sampled lacked the non-peroxide anti-microbial activity of mānuka honey. Likewise, of 73 samples tested by UMFHA in Britain, China and Singapore in 2012-13, 43 tested negative. Separate UMFHA tests in Hong Kong found that 14 out of 56 mānuka honeys sampled had been adulterated with syrup. In 2013, the UK Food Standards Agency asked trading standards authorities to alert mānuka honey vendors to the need for legal compliance.[11] There is a confusing range of systems for rating the strength of mānuka honeys. In one UK chain in 2013, two products were labelled "12+ active" and "30+ total activity" respectively for "naturally occurring peroxide activity" and another "active 12+" in strength for "total phenol activity", yet none of the three was labelled for the strength of the non-peroxide antimicrobial activity specific to mānuka honey.[11]
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I am so relieved to hear Piper is doing better and is in a better place. I know you are trying to do the best thing for her and I know how it is to get too sick to care for them and want a home that can. I've been there and done that twice when my health was failing me. One of the horses, my husband sold and it was heartbreaking for me as he'd already gone and done it and didn't interview the prospective buyer or anything. The buyer wound up being abusive and I had to pull all sorts of strings where I live to get that horse back out of his hands. It's not easy and incredibly frustrating. I'm sure your heart is feeling much relief now. Piper has great odds to heal from this, she's young and strong, I've seen horses with most of their side missing that have healed from it. Some of the things they've healed from are just insane but they do heal.

Ironically, last night I happened to pull up my horses foal cam. I needed to go into the cloud settings to delete older files and make space. I watched the last few of her, just to see what she was up to and she had been rolling in her stall. When she moved to get up, she hit her rear hock against one of the poles and it startled her. My heart sank. She crawled forward a couple paces quickly dragging her rear end in an unusual angle behind her, I thought she'd snapped her spine the way she twisted and flew out of bed, into my car and over to the barn that's two blocks away in my pajamas. Fortunately, she was ok. She had a scrape down her rear leg, it bled, it's a bit swollen today and she's twitching a little when i run my fingers down her spine but she'll be ok.

It's hard not to be upset with yourself when stuff like this happens. One, because I know better than to have her in a pipe horse stall without a barrier for them to get their head and legs stuck but I thought, oh she'll be ok. She's 19 and I'm sure she's been around stalls like this before. I'll be kicking myself for awhile.

There is no such thing as an untraining animal. 60% of training/maintaining is training the owner first. 40% is the owner's consistency with what they've trained. The other 20% depends on the horse's history. Unfortunately, they're are untrainable people.
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post #118 of 236 Old 02-25-2019, 09:32 AM Thread Starter
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@Foxhunter and @Knave OK, maybe she did injure herself on panels. I just couldn't picture how both of her back legs could fit through a ranch panel! She was 15.1 hh and still growing in October when she was *****ed up by my "friend" and when I look at a ranch panel I just cannot imagine how that would work, but if you think that's what did it, I believe you. Horses do crazy things. Then they panic and make it worse! How horrible! Thank you! <3
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post #119 of 236 Old 02-25-2019, 09:34 AM
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I wonder if you think of the same thing I think of when you say panel... I think of green powder river panels.
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@Foxhunter Wow you've done your homework when it comes to Manuka Honey! Thank you for filling me in. Sounds like it's not going to be right for us after-all. I appreciate all those facts and the time you took to research and post all of them. Thank you!
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