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post #1 of 23 Old 08-14-2020, 01:21 PM Thread Starter
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Short and long of this story, I bought a horse just across state lines in Washington while I live in Idaho. I asked about a coggins test and brand inspection (I have never bought or transferred a horse across state lines) previous owners tell me I don't need it. I think hmmm odd, so I call up a veterinary office, they tell me I do in fact need it. They also tell me that it's usually the previous owner's responsibility to pay for it. Whatever, these people apparently don't care so I'm going to pay for it because I don't need a huge fine for transporting a horse illegally. I tell previous owners I legally cannot move her unless I get the coggins test and brand inspection done. They tell me that this has never been a problem before and everyone who has bought a horse from their ranch has never done this before. I stand firm on it and say that I have to have it done. Takes vet a week to get out there, we get the coggins test done as well as a health certificate because surprise surprise, previous owners never did a brand inspection so vet explains to me without a bill of sale we can't do a brand inspection. I asked for a bill of sale, owner tells me to talk to ranch hand. Ranch hand tells me he'll write me up a bill of sale but the sale is already final if I'm thinking about backing out, which I say I'm not thinking of backing out I just want to do this legally. I get a text yesterday that they want me to get her off the property by Monday whether or not she's got her coggins test or they are going to be charging me rent since she's been on their property for two weeks. Luckily I found someone in Washington who will let me put her on there property should Monday come along and the coggins test not come in, but in the meantime I am becoming increasingly frustrated with the attitude and the insistence that I do not need this by the owners who tell me that every person who's ever bought a horse from them never tested for coggins or did a brand inspection and some people have hauled clear off to California. I guess my question is I'm going to get my horse off this property one way or another, but I will wait for that coggins test and health certificate and brand inspection before I bring her into my state. Should I be reporting these people for doing this all illegally because they have been selling several horses to people and no one's getting coggins test and brand inspections done, or should I let everything go and just let it be? I'm not trying to be a brat about all of this I'm just so tired of fighting them about doing this right and legally. The last thing I need is a whopping fine for not transporting a horse with the right papers. I just really don't even know what to do anymore, at least I have a back-up plan now that if the coggins test doesn't come in by Monday I can keep her on a different property in Washington until it does come in, but now I'm wondering if morality wise I should report them. And if I should report them, who do I report them to? I just don't even know what to do anymore.

Also I have screenshots to prove the conversation with them saying I don't need these things if for some reason I need those for legal reasons?
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has money changed hands?
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has money changed hands?
It has, I purchased her exactly two weeks ago today. They're writing up the Bill of sale.
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While it may be legally the correct way to do things many don't go by the book. If their herd is a closed herd or EIA not an issue there they (ranch) may not consider it a necessity. Most trailers aren't stopped nor are there facilities designated for you to stop crossing state lines in many areas. Just depends on where you are at. Take back roads.



Do you need them if stopped - yes, if that is what the law says. As you have had the blood drawn then hauling her and agreeing quarantining her until you get the results if stopped could get you out of a fine. You need a bill of sale either way. That proves you own the horse.



Don't know about the brand inspections as I've never had to deal with that.



I can say I got tired of having blood drawn and health certs done then have an owner not showing to pick up their horse. I called the vet clinic when they showed up with a trailer and we loaded up then went to vet and had blood drawn. They were stopped crossing state lines but had the bill of sale and receipt from the vet showing the work had been done along with the horse's records from the vet showing care over the time we had the horse. Horse was quarantined on arrival at the boarding barn they made arrangements at until copies of the coggins and health cert could be faxed over. No fines. Not the right way but sometimes it just is. We aren't in an area that it is an issue, there were no current cases any where near where we were located and we have a closed herd that doesn't travel off property.




In 2019 there were 89 cases reported in the US. Idaho had 1 case. No cases in Washington. In 2018 there were none in Washington or Idaho but between 1 and 5 in Oregon. The last reported case (3) in Washington was in 2015. Prior to that the next latest case (1) was 2005.


You do what you need to do to be comfortable moving your horse. The other sales are between them and the buyer. What they do between themselves is between them.

Some horse people change their horse, they change their tack and discipline, they change their instructor; they never change themselves.

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Agree with @QtrBel .

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Most trailers aren't stopped nor are there facilities designated for you to stop crossing state lines in many areas. Just depends on where you are at.
Yea, CA is one that is a PITA about it. When I hauled to TX in Feb., no state stopped me or asked to see Pi's coggins/health cert. Coming back, only CA stopped me and quizzed me about her and her papers. He was mostly concern with whether she was a show horse or a trail horse. Yes ... she's BOTH. He couldn't wrap his mind around that one, LOL.
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Tx stopped that owner I was referring to. Here Florida is the pain.
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I would get the coggins and the brand inspection. Even if I had to pay.

I've been stopped in MT, WY, ID, OR, CO. Daughter was stopped in WA.

There is one ranch just across the state line that I go to via dirt roads for day work. The authorities know that and consider us like hands that work on outfits that have land in more than one state.
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Thanks everyone for your advice and comments, this whole situation has been really stressful for me so I really appreciate your guys's responses. I will not be hauling the mare over here without the proper papers for sure, I happen to know my State Police very well and they just love pulling people over LOL. They know all the back roads too. My husband got pulled over for having a ball hitch on his truck if that says anything, they told him he couldn't have a ball hitch on his truck if he wasn't hauling things haha.

Just pray the results for the test come back today so I can get her out of there or at least that they can come on Monday so I don't have to deal with this anymore and get her home. That's really all I want. Otherwise I'll move her down to a different property Monday that told me I could and wait for the results so at least I have a backup plan. Thanks everyone! I didn't think I should report them but I thought I should ask, I do not like reporting anybody about anything because I feel like such a brat but I truly didn't know if what they were doing was really bad or not. How they've been treating me has definitely been bad, everything else is whatever they can do what they want I just want to do the right thing.
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Short and long of this story, I bought a horse just across state lines in Washington while I live in Idaho. I asked about a coggins test and brand inspection (I have never bought or transferred a horse across state lines) previous owners tell me I don't need it. I think hmmm odd, so I call up a veterinary office, they tell me I do in fact need it. They also tell me that it's usually the previous owner's responsibility to pay for it.

Whatever, these people apparently don't care so I'm going to pay for it because I don't need a huge fine for transporting a horse illegally. I tell previous owners I legally cannot move her unless I get the coggins test and brand inspection done. They tell me that this has never been a problem before and everyone who has bought a horse from their ranch has never done this before. I stand firm on it and say that I have to have it done. Takes vet a week to get out there, we get the coggins test done as well as a health certificate because surprise surprise, previous owners never did a brand inspection so vet explains to me without a bill of sale we can't do a brand inspection.

I asked for a bill of sale, owner tells me to talk to ranch hand. Ranch hand tells me he'll write me up a bill of sale but the sale is already final if I'm thinking about backing out, which I say I'm not thinking of backing out I just want to do this legally. I get a text yesterday that they want me to get her off the property by Monday whether or not she's got her coggins test or they are going to be charging me rent since she's been on their property for two weeks.

Luckily I found someone in Washington who will let me put her on there property should Monday come along and the coggins test not come in, but in the meantime I am becoming increasingly frustrated with the attitude and the insistence that I do not need this by the owners who tell me that every person who's ever bought a horse from them never tested for coggins or did a brand inspection and some people have hauled clear off to California.


I guess my question is I'm going to get my horse off this property one way or another, but I will wait for that coggins test and health certificate and brand inspection before I bring her into my state. Should I be reporting these people for doing this all illegally because they have been selling several horses to people and no one's getting coggins test and brand inspections done, or should I let everything go and just let it be?


I'm not trying to be a brat about all of this I'm just so tired of fighting them about doing this right and legally. The last thing I need is a whopping fine for not transporting a horse with the right papers. I just really don't even know what to do anymore, at least I have a back-up plan now that if the coggins test doesn't come in by Monday I can keep her on a different property in Washington until it does come in, but now I'm wondering if morality wise I should report them. And if I should report them, who do I report them to? I just don't even know what to do anymore.

Also I have screenshots to prove the conversation with them saying I don't need these things if for some reason I need those for legal reasons?
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If you do have to move her to another property in WA state, make sure they will accept her without the Coggins. NO horse gets off the trailer at my place without the proper paperwork. That means current Coggins, Health Cert (if from another state) and an EVA statement if from a state with active cases of EVA, and I want proof of vaccination. The vaccination proof doesn't need to come from a vet but I want to see receipts for the purchase and documentation that it has been done. Without it, not coming here.

In future, when buying a horse, make sure you get ALL the paperwork needed/wanted before you even let them see your money. If they cut up rough about any of it, walk away. There are too many nice horses and legit owners to deal with shady folks.
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