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post #1 of 12 Old 12-05-2015, 04:17 PM Thread Starter
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California trace?

Our farrier came in today to trim Harley's hooves after removing his horseshoes two weeks ago. Everything looks good, but we got to talking about nutrition and she recommended I use California trace as a mineral supplement.

Harley came to us two months ago and appears to be an easy keeper. He's on the small side, at 14.3 hands, and is a 15 yr old Arab with a very good overall health. In fact, the farrier remarked that he is in very good condition. Currently, he is on local hay (we live in the Canadian east coast) and a very small quantity of pellets twice a day called "Fat and Fiber" as well as a glucosamine supplement. Before coming to us, he was on a low sugar pellet which I couldn't get locally so this was the closest I could find. They told me he was on the low sugar because he tends to be a bit hot and they found he did better on it.

Here is the analysis of Fat and Fiber: http://www.nutrecocanada.com/docs/sh...rse-ration.pdf

The farrier is not a fan of this (she is all about natural horsemanship) and recommended instead that we feed a mineral supplement since he does not appear to need the calories. If anything, he has put on a bit of weight since coming to us so clearly, he is getting plenty of calories. He's not exactly chunky, especially given that it's winter and he may benefit from a little extra fat, but I wouldn't want him to gain any.

So what do you think of this California trace? Cost is not an issue. I want to do whatever's best for this horse.
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Are you high in selenium in your area?


The "Fat and Fiber" is exceptionally low at .3 mg. that is POINT THREE mg.

It is not a complete vit/ min supplement.

Neither is California Trace but they are not complete in different ways and the CT has TWO full mg of selenium per serving.

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I am in southern mIddle Tennessee and my Ag guy didn't want me feeding it due to the selenium being so high.

It is a great product for the horses living in a desert environment like California, Arizona, parts of New Mexico, Nevada. Folks like us with a lot of grass and some have high selenium, it is not a good thing.

I have two easy keepers. One is also insulin resistant. He is so bad, he is on a prescription to control his insulin. He did founder pretty bad in 2012.

I have both my horses on "Horse Tech's High Point" for grass fed horses. It is guaranteed 4.25% NSC.

There is no soy and no added iron in this product (iron and iodine aren't the same:).

I only feed three ounces daily per horse, mixed into some wet Timothy pellets.

High Point-Grass/Mixed Hay

It has been 12 months and Both have done well on this product. Great coats, great hoof quality.
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Are you high in selenium in your area?


The "Fat and Fiber" is exceptionally low at .3 mg. that is POINT THREE mg.

It is not a complete vit/ min supplement.

Neither is California Trace but they are not complete in different ways and the CT has TWO full mg of selenium per serving.

California Trace

I am in southern mIddle Tennessee and my Ag guy didn't want me feeding it due to the selenium being so high.

It is a great product for the horses living in a desert environment like California, Arizona, parts of New Mexico, Nevada. Folks like us with a lot of grass and some have high selenium, it is not a good thing.

I have two easy keepers. One is also insulin resistant. He is so bad, he is on a prescription to control his insulin. He did founder pretty bad in 2012.

I have both my horses on "Horse Tech's High Point" for grass fed horses. It is guaranteed 4.25% NSC.

There is no soy and no added iron in this product (iron and iodine aren't the same:).

I only feed three ounces daily per horse, mixed into some wet Timothy pellets.

High Point-Grass/Mixed Hay

It has been 12 months and Both have done well on this product. Great coats, great hoof quality.
According to the studies I've read like this one An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie, we have low selenium in this area and supplementing with selenium is recommended. The farrier told me that while a supplement might not be so crucial in the summer when they have fresh grass, winter hay loses some of its nutritional value. She also felt vitamin E was crucial.

Is there a reason you wet the timothy pellets? We don't wet the Fat & Fiber, but sometimes the barn owners feed alfalfa cubes which are wetted down.
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I actually use horse techs high point too! I did lots of research and it seemed to be the best ration balancer for my situation. Also can't beat the free shipping.

I put mine over alfalfa/timothy mixed pellets and I too wet. My guy has choked before when I didn't wet, I guess because the pellets are a little bigger? So I always wet now to prevent that. If your horse eats slowly you could maybe get away without wetting the pellets but cubes do always need wet.
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Is there a reason you wet the timothy pellets? We don't wet the Fat & Fiber, but sometimes the barn owners feed alfalfa cubes which are wetted down.
I add other supplements to the pellets. Most everything is powder or meal form. Wetting everything assures nothing gets blown out of the feed pan and is eaten.

Wetting everything adds some extra moisture that is good for them.

Plus, as EvilAMC said, it helps prevent choke.

I carry a sport water bottle to the barn. When the weather is cold, I fill it with hot water. By the time I'm ready to feed, it is down to warm water.
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Ha that's so funny Walk, I carry out a little bottle or bowl of hot water too since it's getting colder out :p our horses are spoiled.
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Good point about the choking. I can see how getting a throat full of powder could be problematic. Will start wetting - I like the idea of carrying a thermos full of hot water to the barn!
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Good point about the choking. I can see how getting a throat full of powder could be problematic. Will start wetting - I like the idea of carrying a thermos full of hot water to the barn!
Lol it sounds silly to do it but I'd think the horse would enjoy a nice warm meal! Also it soaks faster with hot water. I just bought a bunch of those new yeti cup thermos for people for christmas...wonder how well that would work? They're supposed to be like THE BEST.
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I have an extremely easy keeper...one that gets fat on air. She had brittle, nasty hooves that were prone to thrush because of poor trimming and nutrition. I started feeding Tribute's ration balancer- Essential K and added in California Trace pellets. I am SOOOOO HAPPY with the progress we have made with her feet, not to mention a much nicer winter coat compared to last year. I'll schill California Trace all day long.
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Thanks jenkat86!

So do you have to mix or wet down California trace?
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