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post #1 of 9 Old 08-07-2020, 10:58 PM Thread Starter
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Dr.Pol's new horse feed

I'm not sure about whether this is available everywhere as I think it's a deal with Tractor Supply (a farm store chain in the U.S.). But there is a new feed called Dr.Pol's Healthy Balance Farmland feed and I was hoping any of you nutrition buffs could share your opinion on it.
I bought it because there was no iron listed on the label but then saw reviews it has a high iron content??? (My horses get plenty of iron from forage and I was told to buy a low iron feed or no iron feed) I understand stand that different ingredients in the feed contain iron and other minerals which kind of makes them "hidden", but would you consider the iron in this feed too high?
Any advise or opinions on the feed welcome.

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/pr...xoCv78QAvD_BwE

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I still don't know as much about ingredients within formulas (something I am just delving into now), but it looks like there is iron in the feed according to the ferrous sulfate added in the ingredients list. However, the amount included may not be enough to warrant putting it on the label, meaning it may not be as bioavailable as you think and could be in very minuscule amounts. I also know that label regulations vary from state-state in the U.S. and I personally don't know much about what sorts of things companies may be able to get away with. Hopefully, someone else may have something else to add, based on that.

That being said, if your horse is already getting plenty of iron, then I would go with a feed and/or v'm supplement that has a larger amount of copper/ zinc (> or equal to 100mg:400mg). If I did my calculation right, your horse would be getting approximately 90mg copper per 5lbs of feed, which is low if your horse is already in a iron-rich environment. Basically, you want copper to be 1/4 of iron/ zinc and your horse will need more if he is taking in more iron.
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1. Well bless that Old Sweetie’s heart - developing healthy critter feeds. It’s also a very smart move on his part since he can’t keep wrangling feisty cattle, pigs, etc.:)

2. What I like best is that his formula is FIXED.. There are not too many feed companies (including Purina) who used fixed formulas. Not using a fixed formula means they can throw anything I. There to get to their guaranteed analysis.

3. It looks like he has three types of horse feed. I only looked at the ingredients for one.

https://petfoodstation.com/products/...e-layer-feed-5

3.1. It does have “The three aminos”, albeit I’m guessing two are in trace amounts.

3.2. It is an established fact, the first three named ingredients if ANY feed equal the highest amount of “stuff” in the bag.

3.3. Ferrous Sulfate is so far down the list, it likely would not have any effect at all on a horse without metabolic issues.

3.3.1. If a person wanted to feed this feed, it would be prudent to call the 800 number in the feed bag and tell them you want to know the PPM amount of ferrous sulfate per recommended feeding amount, and decide from that if you want to feed it.

3.4. The write-up also calls this feed “calorie dense”. At least on this particular model; maybe the other two types of feed have less calorie, but that’s another question I would ask if Imwere feeding easy keepers.

This feed and the other two may be geared toward hard keepers and could be a great thing for people trying to get weight on skinny horses.

4. Is it something I would feed? No, lollollol. That is because I have an IR horse who does not need even a smidgen of ferrous sulfate, nor does he need something that says it’s “calorie dense”.

5. The feed is expensive BUT you get what you pay for and the “fixed formula” is worth paying for.

If the feeding instructions were there, I didn’t see them. Being “calorie dense” should mean it wouldn’t take as much of this feed which, in turn, should mean a cost savings.

. I think it’s a good quality product for the average healthy horse and will probably do well since anyone who doesn’t like Dr. Pol has a problem:):)
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I'm on the other end. I think it is gimmicky in that the name is selling a product that you can get from other manufactures for less. Fixed formula, same ingredients or close with the exception of pearled barley that I haven't seen in feeds around here, same or similar guaranteed analysis for $5 to $10 more and looks like you have to watch the weight on the bag. Looking around I found 40lb for $37 and TSC says $28 for 50lb....makes me wonder if the 50lb is a misprint. Kind of like when the dog foods went from 35 and 40 pounds to 28 and the price went up. There were notations that this should be fed in a recommended time frame. Fresher is always better but when I see that I have to wonder if it is another product that would need to be in a climate controlled storage.

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The link I read said “best if used within 12 months” which is what nearly all feeds and ration balancers recommend. Even Omega-3 Horseshine has a “use by” date on the bag.

I always look for expiration dates on critter feed.

I don’t find the recommendation at all odd or out of place:) That’s called keeping the critter from eating bad feed and also a big CYA for any feed provider:)

As far as fixed formulas, who else besides Triple Crown has a fixed formula? I truly don’t know.

Not Purina for sure.

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What Purina has moved to is Constant Nutrition formulas. They did have fixed feeds - any that had no tag were fixed. Fixed feeds can't guarantee constant nutrition just a basic range. Least cost keeps the basics in range but switches ingredients based on cost. I would imagine they purchase at enough quantity that change is minimal and not necessarily subject to changes in feed just source.

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I have never known Purina to have a fixed formula.

Maybe they have changed their verbiage to make it sound better but they always used to put the word “by-products” on the bag. That could mean any part of whatever they were adding to get to the guaranteed analysis on the bag and it was subject to change, thus not fixed.

I neither know nor care what’s on their bags these days ). They went from being a company I once had high regard for, to a company that appears to be very good at knowing how to market low quality feed.

After their roll out of the WellSolve line in 2007 or 2008 that had a horribly high amount of added iron in a product touted for metabolic horses, I lost complete faith in them.

The WellSolve LS made my metabolic horse sick (RIP Duke). I gave that feed 40% of the bag to work and ended up taking the rest back to the feed store. They assured me the Purina Rep would be in contact with me. — that 2007 or 08 and I’m still waiting.

I believe they did finally did decide not to add iron to their product.

At any rate, I haven’t fed anything out of bag since 2014, except for Timothy pellets. All my supplements for my IR horse come from HorseTech. They probably cost more than Dr. Pol’s new feed but I get valued received and the only people who know Joker is not healthy by looking at him, are his professional caregivers and experienced horse folks smart to to know what to look for:)
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I have never known Purina to have a fixed formula.

Maybe they have changed their verbiage to make it sound better but they always used to put the word “by-products” on the bag. That could mean any part of whatever they were adding to get to the guaranteed analysis on the bag and it was subject to change, thus not fixed.

I neither know nor care what’s on their bags these days ). They went from being a company I once had high regard for, to a company that appears to be very good at knowing how to market low quality feed.

After their roll out of the WellSolve line in 2007 or 2008 that had a horribly high amount of added iron in a product touted for metabolic horses, I lost complete faith in them.

The WellSolve LS made my metabolic horse sick (RIP Duke). I gave that feed 40% of the bag to work and ended up taking the rest back to the feed store. They assured me the Purina Rep would be in contact with me. — that 2007 or 08 and I’m still waiting.

I believe they did finally did decide not to add iron to their product.

At any rate, I haven’t fed anything out of bag since 2014, except for Timothy pellets. All my supplements for my IR horse come from HorseTech. They probably cost more than Dr. Pol’s new feed but I get valued received and the only people who know Joker is not healthy by looking at him, are his professional caregivers and experienced horse folks smart to to know what to look for:)
My dad worked for Purina he saw first hand what went on in the mills. He wouldn't by Purina feed of any kind. It's not the quality they say it is. They have great marking skills.

Pelleted feed floor sweepings were used,that was back in 2008. Maybe different now but I won't feed there feeds.

I use horse tech I know what I'm getting so worth the money.
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post #9 of 9 Old 08-08-2020, 10:32 PM
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Read the ingredients. The first feed item listed is soybean hulls. Horses can't digest that at all. You are paying for a lot of nothing. That feed is very expensive.

Other tractor supply feeds have peanut hulls as a major ingredient.

The wheat middlings actually are digestible.

I didn't read the comments. I just read the ingredients list. Well, the first two ingredients. Soybean hulls? That's like straw. Or bedding.

You can cook it until it is tender. That doesn't mean it is digestible.
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