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post #21 of 63 Old 11-17-2019, 10:11 AM Thread Starter
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Wow, he looks so much like my old Paint that passed away a few years ago. Even the one white/ one dark ear!



What pattern would you call him? I spent a lot of time pondering the pattern of my guy, and decided he was probably tobiano+sabino.
Sorry about the loss of your paint. I am not good with color patterns, just call him a tobiano. Can't see it in that picture, but he has a brown spot inside the white ear! It is so cute
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Can Herbie be put up at night? If yes, what I would do with time constraints would be to measure out 1.5 lbs of dry cubes and soak them. I used to soak cubes and it really only took 15 minutes until they were breaking apart and not hard anymore. Give him cubes at night in a stall or where ever he can be put up so he has all night to eat in peace. Give him his senior feed in the morning and then let him out with the others. I would pick the poop out of his stall while he is eating the senior feed or just do it at night. I wouldn't start feeding the others hard feed if they are fine without it. Honestly, if they are getting hay in the morning, I don't think that they will think that they are missing out on anything.
Do you think 1.5 pounds of cubes is enough? Two pounds is what I have been feeding, just a random amount I chose. He can eat that in 30 minutes!

The others do get hard food; I have a 24 yr QH mare on senior, but she can still eat hay fine. She is actually getting a little fat right now, so I need to cut her food back a bit. The 12 yr old RMHA get a cup of hard food for his medication and supplements, but only at night.

Herbie has a stall, but it is open at the top. If I leave the others out and him up, they can just reach over and take his food out of the feeder. As the bottom of the herd, he would not fight for his food...my set-up is very primitive.
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If you soak in really hot water in a wide container (lots of surface area) they should break down pretty quickly. In the winter I do about 1-2 lbs of ďminiĒ Timothy/alfalfa cubes (Mini as in size of cubes, not for mini horses) to keep my 25 year old from getting too thin. I take a large rubber pan, turn the water on my kitchen faucet as hot as it will go, cover the cubes with water halfway up the pan, and then go let the chickens out of their coop. By the time the chickens are out, the cubes have absorbed the water. Key is getting it really hot.

Also, look into Speedibeet. Itís a textured beet pulp flake- Another good forage source that also soaks up incredibly fast, definitely faster than pellets. Maybe you could play around with proportions to come up with a mix of the two.

I think I missed how old he was. He looks so young and healthy in his pictures, wonder what happened to his teeth??
Vet says Herbie is 20 yrs old. His teeth had not been taken care of. He was being fed bread because he couldn't eat hay

I don't think we have Speedibeet here, is that a brand? I really only have the TSC in the next town over to buy supplies at. I am going to talk to the manager about ordering in something for Herbie, but I really like the alfalfa/oat mixture. Just think straight alfalfa might be too rich.

I should have mentioned he is a bit thinner than I like, and I have been hesitant to ride him a lot because I don't want him dropping too much weight then not being able to get the weight back on.

Some nights when I come he is very agitated and I can tell he is hungry.
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Do you think 1.5 pounds of cubes is enough? Two pounds is what I have been feeding, just a random amount I chose. He can eat that in 30 minutes!

The others do get hard food; I have a 24 yr QH mare on senior, but she can still eat hay fine. She is actually getting a little fat right now, so I need to cut her food back a bit. The 12 yr old RMHA get a cup of hard food for his medication and supplements, but only at night.

Herbie has a stall, but it is open at the top. If I leave the others out and him up, they can just reach over and take his food out of the feeder. As the bottom of the herd, he would not fight for his food...my set-up is very primitive.
Oh geeze, I meant 1.5 % of his body weight. Sorry. That is to start with and see how it goes. But, my idea is not a good one if he can't eat it at his leisure without the others getting it. If there was a way to keep them away, he could spend the night eating his soaked cubes.

I don't know why I typed lbs. I guess my head was getting ahead of my fingers, again. lol
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When we had to soak we would do cool water in a tub with a larger surface area to spread them out and let sit over night in the house during warm weather or outside during cold. If it was really cold it was back to soaking inside. The cool keeps them from fermenting and they shouldn't mold at that temp I that amount of time. If horse was t happy with cooler feed I'd pour a little hot tap water to warm it but not so much it was soupy. I have also just added enough cool to fluff the cubes and stored in large ziplocs in fridge if I was having someone else feed. Those would do fine for several days.
Good information about putting some in the fridge! That will help me on work nights too. I could put it in a big zip lock bag then just carry the bags to work. Can add more water before I leave work.
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If you are going to replace hay with cubes or pellets or any form of forage only, it would be the same amount in poundage as if you were feeding hay. Complete senior feeds would be less, I think, because it is more concentrated.
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I know some of this is already covered so apologies for the repeat

Chopped forage has to be chewed so if the teeth are really awful heís going to struggle with it.
Iíve found Greenmeadow chopped forage to be the best quality and if you damp it before feeding (as you should with any chopped forage) your horse might be able to cope with it.
Itís preferable to hay cubes.

You can soak grass and alfalfa pellets, they take a much shorter time to absorb the water than cubes. Just donít add so much water you end up with a soup.

Most horses with poor teeth will cope with soaked sugar beet, i only use Speedi Beet, Iím not biased because itís British, itís simply a superior quality!

Boiled oats are great for weight gain, use crimped oats and cook in a slow cooker like a casserole.

What you must do is make sure the horse always has something in front of him to eat or youíll have an ulcer problem really quickly.

Since chewing stimulates saliva production and saliva production is part of the acid damage control process you might need to use a daily supplement to help reduce acid damage.
He is just slurping up the chopped forage. I will wet it from now on, some of it is like green dust the leaves I think. But all that fine dust can't be good for the lungs.

On work days, I feed the horses at 5 am and get to work at 6 am. Go straight to the barn after work, and on a good day I am there by 8 pm. There is no way I can keep food in front of him at all times, without stalling him 24/7 and I do not want to do that. If left out with the others, they will eat any food I leave out. Herbie ignores regular hay unless stalled up. He plays with the hay and maybe ingests a half of a flake all night.

He chews treats with his gums; can hear it is a squeaking/rubbing sound.

I have no idea how his teeth got so bad, but he was put in a torturous bit. It was a twisted wire snaffle connected to a rubber coated chain nose piece and a tight smooth wire chin strap. All connected together at the bit rings!! He could not move his mouth at all when bitted. I was horrified to see that thing!
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Another thought can you get real nice leafy alfalfa? Herbie might be able to eat that with no issues.

If not to hot humid you could put out more soaked cubes. So it takes him longer to eat. Also could mix cubes with the chopped forage. It's all forage so could put a large amount. Get a used large water tank and spread out the soaked cubes/chopped forage.

Also can have several rubber fed tubs and place those around his turnout put his soaked cubes divided up in 4 or 5 different tubs. Then he has to walk around to eat. Will take him longer to eat so keeps him happy . Just some ideas.

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Another thought can you get real nice leafy alfalfa? Herbie might be able to eat that with no issues.

If not to hot humid you could put out more soaked cubes. So it takes him longer to eat. Also could mix cubes with the chopped forage. It's all forage so could put a large amount. Get a used large water tank and spread out the soaked cubes/chopped forage.

Also can have several rubber fed tubs and place those around his turnout put his soaked cubes divided up in 4 or 5 different tubs. Then he has to walk around to eat. Will take him longer to eat so keeps him happy . Just some ideas.
Good ideas, but I only have one pasture for all three horses. The barn is inside the pasture. I don't own the place, just rent the pasture. I did build the barn, but can't figure out how to divide the place up to isolate one horse.

The pasture is rocky and very sloping.
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Good ideas, but I only have one pasture for all three horses. The barn is inside the pasture. I don't own the place, just rent the pasture. I did build the barn, but can't figure out how to divide the place up to isolate one horse.

The pasture is rocky and very sloping.
Maybe a strip of hot tape fence to divide the area so he has his own space yet still close to the others.
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