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post #21 of 42 Old 06-27-2014, 12:53 PM Thread Starter
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Koba is gaining weight =) He's slowly coming back. And I'm debating switching him from this mixture. He's been getting 2 pounds of. Two parts Purina Ultium. Two parts Alfalfa/timothy pellets

Purina Ultium
CRUDE PROTEIN MIN 11.7 %
CRUDE FAT MIN 12.40 %
CRUDE FIBER MAX 18.50 %
CALCIUM (CA) MIN 0.85 %
CALCIUM (CA) MAX 1.00 %
PHOSPHORUS (P) MIN 0.50 %
COPPER (CU) MIN 65 PPM
SELENIUM (SE) MIN 0.50 PPM
ZINC (ZN) MIN 240 PPM
VITAMIN A MIN 5000 IU/LB
VITAMIN E MIN 150 IU/LB

Alfalfa Timothy Pellets
Guaranteed Analysis

Crude Protein - Min 12%
Crude Fat - Min 1.5%
Crude Fiber - Max 32%
Moisture - Max 12%
Ingredients

Naturally Sun-Cured Premium Western Alfalfa Forage, Naturally Sun-Cured Premium Western Timothy Grass Forage

And about half a cup maybe a little less of Max E Glo. A rice bran meal supplement.

Max E Glo
Guaranteed Analysis

Crude Protein Min 13.00 %
Crude Fat Min 18.00 %
Free Fatty Acids Min 0.72 %
Crude Fiber Max 8.50 %
Calcium Min 1.30 %
Calcium Max 1.70 %
Phosphorus Min 1.50 %
Sodium Max 0.25 %
Vitamin E Min 50 IU/lb
Ash Max 15.00 %
Ingredients

Stabilized Rice Bran and Calcium Carbonate
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post #22 of 42 Old 06-27-2014, 12:57 PM
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Senior feed fed by the bag's directions would be a much better choice. I have a pony who is closer to 40 than 30 these days. Works really well for him. And unless he can eat hay and grass, soaked hay cubes would be better than the pellets.
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post #23 of 42 Old 06-27-2014, 01:02 PM Thread Starter
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These are my Senior feed choices.

[email protected] SafeChoice Senior
SafeChoice Senior Horse Feed by Nutrena

Purina Equine Senior
Purina Horse Feeds - EQUINE FAMILY

Theres DuMor Senior feed. Which I don't want to use at all

Blue Seal Sentinel Senior. I love this feed. I've used it before with my horses. But they quit selling it at my local store. I'll have to drive 2hours to get it. But if its the best I'm willing.
http://blueseal.com/files/feeding-an...entinel_SR.pdf

I can also get to a southern states for Legends or Triple Crown Products. I already have to go here to get Triple Crown Lite for out IR mare. But I remember trying Triple Crown Senior as recomended by a vet to put weight on a hard keeper, and it was really sticky and thick with molassas. Thinking not good for him =/ Legends feeds when I used them were also full of it. Thoughts anyone? All feed for him is soaked. Fecal test has been done, clear. Teeth checked by my farrier, who said he was fine. And again by the vet just now. Fine. Vet says since he is picking up weight to wait for the blood pannel test yet.
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post #24 of 42 Old 06-27-2014, 01:04 PM Thread Starter
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He can eat hay and grass. They go no longer than two hours without hay. He's turned out to grass for 2-3 hours a day. And has alfalfa pellets mixed into the feed he's getting now. Would any of the senior feeds I can get be better? Or are they all crap.
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I prefer the Nutrena to the Purina. Purina has too much molasses. Nutrena also makes a Senior that is NOT Safechoice. It's the better of the 2, when fed properly. If he can still chew his roughage, the pellets are fine. It's just that the gut needs a certain amount of that long fiber to keep working well.
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post #26 of 42 Old 06-27-2014, 09:36 PM
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I dont know.......those little ones are notorious easy keepers. Senior feed might be too rich. I'd be looking for one with a really low NSC.

It's even possible that insulin issues could make him drop some weight.

I can't feed my old pony senior feed. She would explode. I can't even give her a feed designed for mini horses and ponies.

If he is improving so rapidly on what your giving him why change it? Maybe tweek it a bit once he's back to size.
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post #27 of 42 Old 06-28-2014, 11:12 PM Thread Starter
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So before switching him to a senior feed I should get his blood tested in other words ;) And why I've been thinking on changing it is honestly just his age. I've never had a senior horse. Well I've a 15 yr old mare but she doesn't act or look like a senior. And as this is my first over the hill horse I want to try and do this right. I don't want to not get him a senior feed because it costs a few extra dollars. Or because he doesn't "seem" to need it. Perhaps I'm falling to hard for the "senior" part lol. Just seems because thats his age classification I should have him on one of them. I've no issue with keeping him on what he's on, or tweeking, or changing compleatly. I'm just trying to look out here for people that have already been in or are in the spot I'm in. I want to STOP him from getting thin again because of feed issues. And I have to admit to not knowing enough to do so on my own. Vet around here will recomend molassas filled feeds. And the older ones will tell you to feed cracked corn to put weight on ;) Not saying they're BAD vets. They're just like the owners around here. Most of us aren't yet aware of IR, Cushings, EPM.... MOST aren't aware of proper feeding, shoeing, or even worming. They do what they're parents did, and there grandparents did. And feel they're doing everything exactly right. I don't feel that way, In fact I point blank feel that the way my grandparents care for horses is awful. I feel its abusive. They'd have this little man put down instead of shilling out the extra cash to feed him, and forget about the time. I really just want to do whats right here =/
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For older horses prone to founder (aka ponies & AQHA) I've had great success with sugar beat pulp + vegetable oil. You don't want high protein since it stresses kidneys, nor high sugar (molasses within first five ingredients) due to spikes in blood sugar that can initiate founder inflammation.

The sugar beat pulp is highly digestible fiber. The only feed stuff ranked higher in digestibility is oats. Unlike oats - the sbp fiber keeps the gut healthy and makes colic less likely. Since you feed it soaked - it also adds water to diet which helps old kidneys function properly.

The vegetable oil helps keep weight on, adds omega 3's, and is a highly digestible energy source that does not cause blood glucose spikes. In fact, all of the weight builder supplements I've looked at are stabilized veg oil. It's cheaper to buy human grade at grocery store and drizzle over the top of their ration.

So I'd recommend a good senior supplement and/or handful of senior feed - mixed with sbp and veg oil.
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post #29 of 42 Old 06-29-2014, 04:17 PM
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A little one like that isn't going eat much even if you doubled his normal rations(don't).

So many of the small horses and pony breeds are prone to IR. I'd be inclined to go on the assumption he is having some sort of issue.

If you have the money to test him for it then by all means do. Would solve a lot of guess work and time wasted observing feed changes.

My old pony is fat. She has always been fat. However she was looking her age which I really didn't like. Her coat color had faded and her energy level had dropped. The fat also wasn't evenly distributed, kinda lumpy and bumpy. I knew she was missing some vitamins and minerals but how to get enough into her without making her blimp out even more. Thus me stumbling upon ration balancers and pages on insulin resistance. Changed her over and by spring it was like she was 10 years younger.

Beet pulp is wonderful stuff for putting weight on horses without adding starch and carbs. It is also a major ingredient in most of your complete senior feeds.

If he were my little one...ration balancer, beet pulp, hay pellets made into a wet mush. Little bit of veggie oil while he is still gaining weight. If that didn't work then I'd try a different low carb strategy.

I actually drive a little over 35 miles one way to get an extremely low carb hay stretcher to mix with a ration balancer that is a little lower in protein than most. The timothy/alfalfa pellets I can grab at tractor supply in town. Tried just plain alfalfa and she started packing on the pounds again.

Equine Cushing's and Insulin Resistance Group Inc. has a tremendous amount of info.
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post #30 of 42 Old 07-03-2014, 08:14 AM Thread Starter
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New Pics.. Looking better? I think so

Koba seems to be looking heavier. At least to me. Anyone think otherwise just let me know =)
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