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post #21 of 160 Old 03-15-2016, 05:56 PM
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Sure you could buy two bags of safe choice for the price of one triple crown...but you have to feed at least TWICE as much of it to give him the required nutrients he needs a day. Go buy ONE bag of triple crowns 30%, feed about 1 lb to 1.25 lb A DAY...thats it! That $30 bag will last you over a month and its GOOD STUFF!!

If hes getting 20 lbs of hay a day and eating all of that AND eating 30 lbs of pellets? Why not try upping the hay since that takes longer to eat and giving less pellets? Why do you feed both?
While I agree with this the 30% isn't designed for weight gain and I'm not sure I would pick it for this horse.
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Do you think part of the reason it takes 25 hours to eat four flakes is because you're also putting 30lbs of soaked pellets in front of him? Wonder how fast he could eat it without the distraction of pellets?
Once again exactly, but the above is JUST what I was trying to say.
Bad teeth and trying to get hay out of a net when he's not even hungry.. of course! Free choice, not in net FIRST. I would go so far as to say cut out everything but hay (short term) and see how much he will eat when actually free choice. Then re add. He may drop weight but I think he will end up a lot better,

I also don't understand all the pellets.
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While I agree with this the 30% isn't designed for weight gain and I'm not sure I would pick it for this horse.
I know its technically not designed for weight gain but it did wonders for my hard keeper TB I had! Buttt some of the other TC feeds def would be better but would cost more.

Your BO feeds all those pellets DRY?! How has your horse not choked !??!? Would they give you reduced board if YOU provide more hay and NOT use the pellets? I know some people swear they don't need to be soaked but my geldings choked and its SCARY something I hope to never witness again.
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ok so teeth were done. he has been good for the vet (same one for the past 8 or so years) but today he tried to kill him. he slammed him into the fence, body slammed my fiance and then the vet again while galloping and being a general idiot in his stall. they had to tie him to a huge steel pole that supports the roof. vet jumped ontop of the fence and got blood then sedated him. was not enough so he had to hit him AGAIN. the horse could hardly stand but STILL tried to fight getting his teeth done. this whole thing was 100% entirely out of character for odie. the vet said absolutely nothing sugary at all. he recamended cool calories and a high fat diet at least until we find out whats going on. he is betting he has ulcers and that would cause this type of character change. so im starting him on aloe juice and Maalox as soon as i can afford it (between feed, gas, vet and emergency plain trim in broke for the next cuple of weeks). he said that it was good i was keeping feed in front of him but he told be that Bermuda actually makes ulcer worst and that might be why he is eating the alfalfa but avoiding the Bermuda. but he also agreed with how this horse is behaving giving him all alfalfa is NOT a smart idea.

so will know more once the blood gets back. he should be eating better now. need to get more alfalfa as i only have 2 flakes left and im going to give just a little less Bermuda until im positive ulcers are not a thing anymore.
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as for the pellets . RARELY dose ANYONE soak pellets out here. i dont like it but the pellets are tiny. like the pea gravel sized. and she has been feeding it for 30 years with no issues. im not to worried about it. my mare who choked ate non soaked pellets for a while and was fine. just cant eat actually hay as she tends to choke on that of all things... with her there was blood everywhere and she managed to get 8in of hay lodged in there. even got some in her lungs. that was a $500 vet bill and a week of antibiotic injections. there is STILL blood in and on the trailer, we clean it and will spot more.

again it is not general practus to soak pellets out here. been so several show barns who feed only pellets and never soak them.
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Crazyness!!!! Glad the vet was still able to get his teeth done!

Product - CoolStance

I've heard great stuff about this but I've never used it so I don't know the cost :( A friend that ran a boarding barn used it for all her hard keepers though. Maybe you could check out some senior feeds? Triple Crown has a few low NSC feeds too.

Aloe is great!

Your hay pellets must be different then what I get, mine are pretty big.
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normal our pellets are big and i do soak them but odie the princess will NOT eat soaked pellets. BUT if his feed is not at the right consistency of soupy he wont eat it. if its just slightly too oatmeal and not sup he will leave it and waist it....


the pellets she is feeding are different. i dont even worry about a horse choking on it. and most places have switched to pellets. less storage space, less waist and cheeper. ALOT cheeper.
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wow, bermuda makes ulcers worse? That's news to me, but I recall reading something before about bermuda being bad for horses with a certain type of condition, but I don't remember what it was (not ulcers).
I get my bermuda from a grower in Casa Grande for $12 a bale. Amazing quality and super cheap!
So he can't have bermuda, and not allowed to have a lot of alfalfa, and that's really about the extent of what we have in AZ for hay. I feel for you, you're in an expensive bind! The only place I've seen timothy hay is packaged into tiny bales covered in plastic in the feed stores... and super expensive.
I'll be interested in seeing what happens, what's wrong with him, and how you manage it! What a mess...
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Crazy. Makes me wonder the quality of the pellets then lol! I'm the weirdo that always gets scared when things are super cheap when normally more expensive haha.

Rice bran is another great form of cool calories, you can probably get Max-E Glo Meal Stabilized Rice Bran. I don't think you'd want to feed more than a pound of it a day though. Maybe that on top of some low NSC food and hay?
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And yes, for some reason everybody feeds dry pellets out here. I strongly disagree with it but mostly keep my opinions to myself and my horses.
I board at an amazing rescue/boarding stable, and all the horses there except for our two and one other horse are fed bermuda blend pellets dry. No choke since I've been there (3 months) but still... A few of the horses have distended stomachs, outwards like a heavily pregnant mare. I believe this is because of the dry pellets, combined with the dry climate and lower hydration of horses out here. At least BO is SUPER picky about how much water the horses are drinking, so I think she has a better handle on it than most. Waters get checked three times a day! Horses also get turned out daily. I love this place
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