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post #1 of 42 Old 06-15-2020, 02:31 PM Thread Starter
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Before you ask, No, I do not have any current conformation/side view photos of my horses.

So anyways I started feeding Purina Strategy GX 2 months ago. I had switched from Nutrena Safechoice Perform (textured) and was feeding at a rate of 2 1/2 pounds with MSM, electrolytes, and 1/4 c corn oil. My horses looked great. They were getting worked out 4-5 hours a week and they never felt better. Then an accident happened to my pregnant mare and her foal (she was getting fed SC mare and foal) and we weren't sure if the foal just got an infection or if it was the feed, so I didn't feel comfortable feeding Nutrena products, which is why I started feeding Strategy GX.

It all went downhill from there. I realised that my mare and gelding werent as shiny and lacked topline (in the back area). I've been feeding it for 2 months, and want to switch. Their feeding routines go like this:
Tequila (7 yo Quarter)
18 lbs Alfalfa
3 lbs Strategy GX
1/4 c Corn Oil
1 scoop MSM
1 scoop Electrolytes
Don Julio (13 yo quarter)
18 lbs Alfalfa
2 lbs Strategy GX
1/4 c Corn Oil
1 scoop MSM
1 scoop Electrolytes

My trainer insists that I go back to SC perform (textured) or switch to TC complete when our feed store opens, and for now, add some Purina supersport. My friend keeps on telling me to switch to Strategy HE.

Can anyone help me decide what to do? I am currently going more into my trainers side, but I will have to wait untill our feed store opens since no one sells TC feeds. I've heard great things about Strategy HE, but I've heard that it isn't sutible for harder working horses, I do like the NSC content though. My horses are currently on Pasture 24/7, get 9 lbs of alfalfa AM and PM, and get worked 5 days per week, totaling 5-6 hours in total. They are in competition, but are currently off due to Covid-19.

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I'd go with Safe Choice pro-form for the two horses. Mare with foal try to keep them on a mare & foal feed.

Not sure if this is the case where you are. But here feed stores are having trouble getting there orders in. So even the big feed stores are out of many feeds. They order feed but not every brand they carry is in the order.

There having a tough time keeping feeds in stock.

I just bought every bag of alfalfa cubes they had that was 7 bags.
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I think my decision would be based on weather I thought the mare/foal got sick(?) from the feed or not. If I thought it was the feed, I would go away from that brand, just to be safe. Not sure what misfortune you had, and I hope they are okay. Foals are prone to infections and things though. Mine got a navel infection (which he recovered from) and then another infection when he got gelded. But when they are first born, they don't have the best immune system and pretty much rely on the mare's antibodies in the colostrum. In other words, baby has to borrow antibodies from mom because he's not born with his own.


I've had good luck with both Nutrena and Purina feeds. I'm probably favoring Nutrena at the moment because my active senior trail horse loves the Safe Choice Senior and/or the Nutrena Pro Force Senior. She really doesn't need them for weight though, more as just a treat and something to mix her flax seed with.


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At 18 pounds of alfalfa and grass pasture they should just need a ration balancer to maintain weight if they are not in moderate or heavy work. Feeding the Strategy GX with that amount of alfalfa could well mean that the balance is off and you need Strategy AX. Feeding either of those under the recommended amount shorts your horse vitamins and minerals. For that feed you should be feeding a minimum of 1/3 pound for every 100 pounds so a 1,000 pound horse would need 3 pounds to get their basic needs met. That feed is also formulated to be fed along with a specific forage so whichever you are feeding more of (and it sounds like the alfalfa) is your base forage so a change to AX may be needed. In that amount of work you may well need more calories and if that puts too much weight on them then you may need to overhaul your program and adjust some things. Purina HE is a higher fat lower calorie feed meant for the active pleasure horse that doesn't need the calories of a performance feed but does better on less starch. The Strategy is a performance feed but it has significantly less fat than the SC Perform so that may be your issue. Not enough calories to cover work load. Oils can interfere with digestion so that may be part of it too. My horses do well on either. Both have a decent amino acid profile but you may want to look at supplementing that if they are losing muscle on the topline. Something isn't adding up.



I am not understanding about the mare and foal. If there was something off with the feed it would have caused issue with both. I'd say more likely baby ate something in the pasture it shouldn't have or baby was ill. An accident would be overloading the creep feeder so baby is essentially free feeding and ate way too much. That wouldn't be the feeds fault.


I am also missing what is happening with mare and foal or is Tequila the mare and she is the one with the foal - in which case what is foal eating? Mare and foal should be on a mare and foal if baby is not weaned.



The biggest difference in the Strategy and SC Perform is the fat content. Strategy has 6.5% and SC has 9%. Ultium Competition has 12.5% so it may be a switch to that could help.

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I see some of you are confused (didn't really go over my thread) Tequila is not the mare, she is my barrel horse, along with Don Julio. We were feeding SC Mare and Foal to my other mare, she gave birth a while back, and the foal passed away 2 days after birth. The vet told us that it was kidney failure, but we are still uneasy about feeding Nutrena products. I also shouldn't have said pasture, since it is a dry lot (1/2 acre) with a run-in shed. Tequila weighs 1100 lbs, Don Julio weighs 1200 lbs, and both have a BCS of 5, and Topline score of B. I took them to the vet last week, she stated that I should switch feeds, and recommend TC and to look into Ultium. Ultium is most commonly found here, so I think I am heading into that direction. I also forgot to mention that my Gelding gets pretty hot easy.
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I'm so sorry you lost a foal. That is always hard.



A two day old foal would not have eaten any feed though so I can't see a loss from the feed.



Necrotizing enterocolitisis would cause that and the bacteria (that produce the toxins that aren't being tolerated) that cause it are a normal part of the foal's environment (found on the teats) and typically don't cause issue but under certain conditions or in some foals it's deadly unless caught and treated.


Now there are molds that if found in the feed (you'd see it or smell it) that cause abortions in mares but I assume this foal was born on time?


I thought you were feeding omelene 200 earlier this spring? I may have you mixed up with someone else.....
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The foal was born right on time. I was getting used to saying, "I feed my horses Omolene 200", which is why my old Topic states that. Lol.
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Just curious what is caguama? Spanish the meaning is loggerhead. A marine biologist friend called her turtles in the aquarium that.

Is it a local brand of feed?

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I took them to the vet last week, she stated that I should switch feeds, and recommend TC and to look into Ultium. Ultium is most commonly found here, so I think I am heading into that direction. I also forgot to mention that my Gelding gets pretty hot easy.

I will warn you that any of the horses I've been around that have been fed Ultium, turned into absolute basket cases, including my gelding.

Chewy carries Tribute products that I have heard very good things for - free shipping pretty much comes with all horse feed orders.

I believe Chewy also carries Buckeye Gro'n'Win, which is my absolute favorite ration balancer, for the horses that don't need 'more'. I think Gro'n'Win is a feed that can be feed to all ages as well.

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I've fed that to all of mine( drafts and saddle horses) and never had that reaction to Ultium.

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