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post #11 of 22 Old 05-30-2019, 06:22 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks.

Well, as they say, "if it ain't broke, then don't "fix" it." The current feeding system has been working for two/three years.

The grain she is has, according to Purina, "a unique combination of advanced supplements", so I was wondering if I do cut out the grain, if it'd make much of a difference.

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Thanks.

Well, as they say, "if it ain't broke, then don't "fix" it." The current feeding system has been working for two/three years.

The grain she is has, according to Purina, "a unique combination of advanced supplements", so I was wondering if I do cut out the grain, if it'd make much of a difference.

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A horse can do well for a long long time on way less than optimum feeding.


Supplements in my mind are to supply the minerals the horse is not getting in the feed available. Quantities of various minerals in various manufactured supplements are all over the board and meaningless unless it is calculated or known what is missing from the available feed with the supplement quantities chosen to match those deficiencies.


I'm lucky as the deficiencies (or excesses) in both hay and forage is pretty standard all across Arizona. One of Dr. Kellon's students worked up a matching supplement for herself and the manufacturer, Horsetec, offers it to the general public by the name of Arizona Copper Complete.


I tested my horses forage and did all the math and compared it to what ACC had in it and it was very very close so I just use ACC.


Wild horses out in the boonies don't get their feed tested but those in confinement don't get he huge variety that a horse in the wild will eat. It is amazing to watch them go from one plant to another when they are available. They'll leave nice looking grass to go eat some scrub oak leaves and then go eat the bark off a branch that has fallen from a Cottonwood tree.


I haven't done any mineral blood work but it'd be a good idea.
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Well, as they say, "if it ain't broke, then don't "fix" it." The current feeding system has been working for two/three years.

The grain she is has, according to Purina, "a unique combination of advanced supplements", so I was wondering if I do cut out the grain, if it'd make much of a difference.
She's getting barely anything from the grain, if you're only feeding 4 ounces a day. A half cup is 4 oz, and for a complete feed that is not really doing anything at all except giving the horse a treat. If I put that into the FeedXL calculator, the grain you are giving is providing somewhere around 1% to 7% of the amount your horse would need of most vitamins and minerals per day. An example would be vitamin E. The amount of grain you are feeding provides 40 IU of E, and horses need at least 1,000 IU daily.

It is good you are analyzing the hay, because her hind end muscling looks a bit weak, so I'd wonder if it had enough quality protein in it. Over the winter when horses tend to need more hay, they also can end up vitamin e deficient since it does not store well in hay and they only can get enough when they are on green pasture. Shortages of vitamin e and magnesium can affect the muscle development.

I'd say the amount of grain you are feeding would be the equivalent to the amount you might feed of a concentrated vitamin supplement. To me that would be a better idea, since the horse would actually get value out of it to make it worth buying. Feeding 4 oz of a multivitamin such as horse guard would give your horse 1,000 IU of vitamin e as well as good amounts of other vitamins and minerals such as potassium, vitamin A, magnesium, etc. That is often a good way to get horses complete nutrition if they are easy keepers.
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Okay. Thanks.

I know it depends on the horse but to have a general idea, what are the daily amounts of vitamins and minerals?

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I don't know how much this has to do with anything, but according to the government website, here are the average of elements in the soil where I board.
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Here's the site to NRC's recommendations. Click on Other Nutrients for trace minerals and vitamins. Dietary supply for the macro nutrients.


Get out your calculator! :) https://nrc88.nas.edu/nrh/

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I have been to Equi-Analytical's site many times but never noticed this. They have requirements based on breed of horse.


https://equi-analytical.com/nutrient...rement-tables/

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Those are great. Thanks.

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I've looked at those before and it seems to be divided by average weight of the breed so I would expect that if your horse weighs significantly more or less then you skip the breed link and just use the weight link.
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