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post #1 of 33 Old 04-05-2017, 01:51 PM Thread Starter
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Low starch low sugar feeds

I'm having an absolute terrible time finding a feed that's low in sugar and starch. I'm pretty sure Trouble had a couple bouts of laminitis in the past and I need something to feed with his supplements. No one knows anything in my feed stores and I got very frustrated yesterday when the clerk told me sweet feed would be great for him. UM NO. What do you all suggest? One store carries blue seal and the others carry purina and Shur Gain brand feeds.
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I'm having an absolute terrible time finding a feed that's low in sugar and starch. I'm pretty sure Trouble had a couple bouts of laminitis in the past and I need something to feed with his supplements. No one knows anything in my feed stores and I got very frustrated yesterday when the clerk told me sweet feed would be great for him. UM NO. What do you all suggest? One store carries blue seal and the others carry purina and Shur Gain brand feeds.
I'm pretty sure a brand like Purina makes a low-starch feed. Although you would want to research that online so you could tell your dealer what to order. If they would even order it.

If you only need enough to put supplements in, how about a handful of wet alfalfa pellets or rice bran pellets? A handful or two of almost anything (other than maybe sweet feed) should be okay just so he gets his supplements. Maybe something that is sold as a complete feed (like a senior feed) would work? I know some people complain that senior feed has too much starch, but the way I look at it is, if there is forage built in and it's able to be fed as the horse's only ration, it HAS to be lower in starch than most grains, because you could never feed such large quantities of grain straight.

Just my ideas. Let's see what everyone else says.
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Does Trouble actually need to eat feed?
Or do you feed feed to give him his supplements only?

So,...

Purina has WellSolve L/S Concentrate...
https://www.purinamills.com/horse-fe...l-s-horse-feed
Reads decent with numbers...
How it feeds and palate-ability is a "?"

Blue Seal is Sentinel Feeds now...
They make claims of low sugar low starch in this { https://blueseal.com/product/?id=38 }
and a product page of details { https://blueseal.com/files/feeding-a...entinel_LS.pdf } but no percentage or numbers are given and that makes me nervous and slightly suspect they are not what they say....

I have never heard of Shur Grain feeds honestly...
I know Southern States {Triple Crown} has a feed but you did not mention a dealer you use so leaving that one alone.....

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When push comes to shove, there isn't a feed or ration balance out there that is worth a pinch of you-know-what, where metabolic horses are concerned.

UNLESS you can easily get McCauley's M-10 ration balancer or EquiPride in the bag, not the lick tub.

Except for the two I mentioned, Everyone uses soy as their protein source and a lot of laminitic horses can't tolerate soy. Annnnd unless the grains in the feeds and ration balancers has had the sugars removed (like when whiskey distillers remove it, then sell off the dried grain), the feed still has high starch and sugars.

I am sorry I can't remember, is Trouble an easy keeper? If he is, you could order what I have been using for both my IR horse and the easy keeper for 2-1/2 years. It is a condensed vit/min supplement that only requires the horse eat three ounces daily. I mix it with the other supplements in Standlee brand Timothy pellets and water.

It has a guaranteed maximum NSC value of 4.25%. That cannot be found in any bag of feed or ration balancer. It does not use soy as its protein source and there is no added iron.

https://horsetech.com/high-point-grass

You want to be sure to buy the supplement for grass fed horses.

Here is another piece of IR trivia that isn't proven but I can attest to with my IR horse: There are a few insulin resistant-prone horses that APPEAR to be flax intolerant. I know of two, one of which is Joker. I have taken Joker on/off Omega-3 Horseshine three times because his hooves got warm. It could be coincidence but three times? Flax is supposed to be good for IR horses but it does seem that isn't the case for a few of them.

At the vet's recommendation, I put Joker on Nanric's Extra Strength Biotin 100. I'm not sure how much it helps because even at his worst founder point, Joker still had stronger/thicker hooves and soles than some healthy horses.

Anyway, if you can manage the Horse Tech, try a 15 lb bag first. I use the meal form, both horses eat it without issue. I think I figured it to cost about 70 cents per horse per day.

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Wow walkin..... Good information shared from your experiences keeping your IR horses "healthy" now...

Lesson learned...

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As something to feed supplements a few handfuls of pretty much anything won't hurt the horse (barring extreme health sensitivities and I do not include Trouble on that list).

I'd just buy whatever to be honest. And don't know anything about Shur Gain but both the other brands are big and have lots of different options and lines even...including specific low sugar/starch options... But it really doesn't matter and you don't need to go that route anyways, put them in hay cubes or something. Whatever is cheapest lol.

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As something to feed supplements a few handfuls of pretty much anything won't hurt the horse (barring extreme health sensitivities and I do not include Trouble on that list).

I'd just buy whatever to be honest. And don't know anything about Shur Gain but both the other brands are big and have lots of different options and lines even...including specific low sugar/starch options... But it really doesn't matter and you don't need to go that route anyways, put them in hay cubes or something. Whatever is cheapest lol.
Purina's WellSolve LS has a guaranteed maximum NSC of 11%, with no grains according to their website. They have brought that line of feed a long way since they rolled it out in 2007 or 2008, and it made my first metabolic horse sick.

However, one still has to consider what percent of NSC or WSC the hay is, and also the grass --- then add all of them together, including the feed, and see how far over the recommended maximum they all add up to.

I have to split hairs with Joker -- every one percent counts with him -- his insulin was so high in 2012 even the lab at Cornell asked my vet if the horse that vile of blood belonged to was still alive.

I realize most folks don't have to crunch starch numbers like I Have to but anyone with an easy keeper needs to look for starch maximum guarantees on whatever they buy and buy the lowest NSC percent available to them. Feed companies can say the words "low starch" 'till the cows come in for milking, but they better have numbers readily available.
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^I've seen plenty of "low starch" feeds at say 30%. Get with the times people! ;D
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Why not just wet hay cubes? That's what I use to give mine their supplements.
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I agree with Walk! I LOVE Horsetech High Point.

Another fun fact about it is you can get it flavored however you'd like! Making even easier for picky eaters. I just feed it over 1/2 lb of soaked timothy hay pellets. The horses think its grain gold lol! They love it.
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