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post #21 of 33 Old 04-06-2017, 06:31 PM
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I found the facebook page.
From what I can see this place is a pet store. They sell different lines of food like any store.
A retailer for Purina products but this is not a Purina product from what I can see by what Purina Ca. has a listing of.

I know here in the states many manufacturers may use a Purina mill for manufacturing a independent line of feed....
A supply of ingredients and recipe are provided and a mix-master makes the batch...
It is NOT a Purina recipe though....
It may not be Purina ingredients either....but only brought in for a mix made.
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OK.... so we have NO idea what's in that feed and the guaranteed analysis is rather...unimpressive. Does he need a "moderate level of calories/protiens"? If my quick math is right then you'll need roughly 5+ lbs a day to get the full benefits of that feed, though again, unimpressive even then. And yeah. No ingredient list.

I agree with WITW... I wouldn't touch it. Seems very very low quality and doesn't even tell you anything aside from vague sounds good statements they don't back up. And it doesn't even seem to match what the post is about (where does it say low sugar/starch? What are the #s?) I even tried calling for you but it wouldn't let me lol (remember while I'm not far I'm in the US) Now I still think a few handfuls of pretty much anything won't matter for most horses including Trouble, but think you could do waayyyy better than this. I wouldn't consider it for a few handfuls I'm that skeptical and I definitely wouldn't consider it for a feed I was looking to get something out of. You haven't answered why you don't just want to do hay pellets?

@ArcadianArtist . I don't know exactly how close you are but selenium is so particular that I would test soil and hay before assuming it's actually zero. Even if very low, which I'm sure it is, small amounts make a big difference. We also have very low selenium around here.
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I'm having an absolute terrible time finding a feed that's low in sugar and starch. I'm pretty sure Trouble had a couple bouts of laminitis in the past and I need something to feed with his supplements. No one knows anything in my feed stores and I got very frustrated yesterday when the clerk told me sweet feed would be great for him. UM NO. What do you all suggest? One store carries blue seal and the others carry purina and Shur Gain brand feeds.
I'll go a little bit out on a limb and consider that because you're worried about laminitis you're worrying about sources of starch that are high in NSC. That seems to be what horse owners know about, but the subject of starches in the equine diet entails a bit more than just that.

My personal feelings about feeds in general is that the feed industry over all spoon feeds horse owners a bunch of BS so that they can get you to buy whatever they tell you that you need. Each manufacturing is doing the same sales pitch for their item and they collect their followers who march in lockstep to song they sing. Obviously I don't have much respect for the feed industry in general.

My recommendation would be what I feed. Beet pulp (with not molasses added) and copra. I'm not advertising here, but just providing infor on my source so you'll have a source in case you can locate another. My beet pulp is Standlee and my copra is CoolStance. They are both just made just one item and not some form of "balanced feed" (which is BS too since how is someone going to create a "balanced" feed if they haven't tested my soil, grass, and hay to determine what my horses are already getting against what else they might need).

Both beet pulp and copra are very low in NSC, sugars, and have good nutrition value for equines. Beet pulp is fiber with significantly better nutritional value than any hay you can find and is good for a healthy equine hind gut. Copra is super digestible and is absorbed in the small intestine. They compliment each other well for balancing out the Ca to P ratio since beet pulp has high Ca, but virtually no P. Copra has high P and very low Ca (the reverse of what equines need). The right mix will result in about a 2 to 1 ratio (CA to P) which works well for horses.

Aside from feed. keep in mind that most cases of founder happen between mid Spring and early Summer (that's when I deal with most of the foot problems around here). The result of horses being turned out to graze on lush grass coming up after Winter which is high in NSC. To help with this you can look at cutting the grass to about 3-4" and if practical turn the horses out on it in the early morning before the sun is up and pull them off it about 10 am or earlier. The dynamics of the grass changes during the day with the amount of sun it gets. After being in the dark all night it's less problematic, but starts changing after the sun comes up. Also check you hay. If it's too high you can soak it in water to leech out some of the NSC.
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My personal feelings about feeds in general is that the feed industry over all spoon feeds horse owners a bunch of BS so that they can get you to buy whatever they tell you that you need. Each manufacturing is doing the same sales pitch for their item and they collect their followers who march in lockstep to song they sing. Obviously I don't have much respect for the feed industry in general.
Yup. Why I don't buy pellet feed. No need of it. Start with basic ingredients, add what is needed. Nothing more.
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My personal feelings about feeds in general is that the feed industry over all spoon feeds horse owners a bunch of BS so that they can get you to buy whatever they tell you that you need. Each manufacturing is doing the same sales pitch for their item and they collect their followers who march in lockstep to song they sing. Obviously I don't have much respect for the feed industry in general.

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Ugh I'll see if I can find the reciept and take it back. Honestly I'm thinking hard on hay pellets.
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check out the purina enrich feed

low starch low sugar very economical to feed since you only feed 1pound/day for a standard sized horse, we've been using it for a few years and love it
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If I can't take it back I'd be feeding a kg a day, which isn't very much. Do y'all think that'd be okay?
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While that's not a huge amount to feed why feed so much? Esp if it's a "junk" feed?

I would personally do just that- take it back and get pellets. If they won't take it back then I would literally feed it in handfuls. Maybe 2 handfuls/feeding or the minimum of what he needs to get the supplements in. I wouldn't feed for nutritional value a) I'm not sure this has any :P and b) that's what the supplements are for right? As literally a mode of transport (for supplements)he shouldn't need much at all. My mare gets less than that split into 2 feedings and it's more than enough to mix many supplements into (and a cup of liquid aloe) and I am feeding her for nutritional value or she'd get even less. So no it's not a huge amount but it's definitely more than I expected you would be feeding.
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I feed 100 g of dry timothy hay cubes to Harley and 200 g to Kodak. Once you add the water, they fluff right up though, and it's more than enough to give them their supplements - and they get a lot of supplements! I'll cut back on the hay cubes in the summer when they're getting grass. You really don't need much if it's a vehicle for supplements. As Yogiwick suggested, if you can't take the feed back (try bringing it back without the receipt even), you can feed a handful at a time.
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