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post #11 of 25 Old 05-09-2017, 08:35 PM
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I'm "meh" on Nutrena in general but don't hate the ProForce line, do think it's entirely the wrong direction if you're looking for something that won't make a horse hot and is low NSC though! Nutrena is not the best on NSC.

Yes I wasn't mentioning that as a suggestion just saying I love it in general and have my own on it. But to throw it out that senior feed is what my Cushings/IR/laminitic horse is doing great on.

I think you're stuck on NSC as being the problem and due to that are only looking at NSC. All of those are low and a few percentages are largely irrelevant. It depends on amount fed and also on what the ingredients are (in terms of hotness). For example a higher fat feed that you can feed less of may be a better choice. Or a feed without grains would be a better option. (As I said can't find the ingredient list for your feed so maybe disregard that example lol).

Poulin Carb Safe is one of the best low starch feeds that is an actual feed and not a RB that I've seen but I needed something higher fat for my laminitic guy and that's why I compromised with something higher NSC which is luckily not too high for him.

Carb Safe may be an option for you but it's not the tastiest (not bad just not "yum!") lol and is lower fat, though only slightly, so you won't be able to cut back the amount much.

But really when I would be concerned is when you're feeding 10 qts of 35% NSC feed, then I'd expect a change in behavior, not sure if you'll see it in your situation.
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Poor thing! My horse is only 10, but since her hooves are hard, she sure does get whacked up during shoeing time! It irritates the spit-fire outta her!
Lol. Just now thinking, and you probably already researched this, but Pro-force feeds all have around 19-20 NSC. ahhhhh! :(

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post #13 of 25 Old 05-09-2017, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by SlideStop View Post
I've been trying hard to not change it. I've made excuse after excuse for all her energy. And I wouldn't mind all the energy, except it's gotten to the point where she turns into a ticking time bomb under me.

I ride her as much as I can. I'm a nurse so I work 12 hour nights, 3-4 days a week depending on if I pick up overtime. I can't swing by for a quick ride before or after work. Typically I ride her 3-4 days a week then.
I think you're focusing on carbs being the issue when it's more likely that since the meds are doing so well for her, she just totally feels GREAT and wants to play. Instead of more days, maybe you can ride longer (say 15 miles rather that 10) or for 2 hours instead of 1, on the days you do ride. If you have good soft footing, maybe LET her canter and go fast for a little while, then bring her back down. If you have either good footing in an arena or a sandy river bottom or something like that, it's ideal for tender footed horses (regardless of cause). What you're feeding is pretty low carb, and I agree with whoever posted about Ultium, if you think she needs weight the fat would be the key. If not, why not just use the RB? In the top pic she looks amazing, all those dapples!
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She wasn't holding any weight with the ration balancer alone once I started working her again. Ever since the addition of the HE her energy has been an on going problem. I thought we had settled on 1lb, but I guess the BO increased it as I was riding her more without telling me.

She always been a high energy horse, but this seems to make her jittery and stupid (for lack of a better term). We have been playing around with it up and down since she's been on it. She calms down when we cut it and get stupid when it's increased again. I don't mind energy, I love that she feels good! I do mind her sticking her head between he knees and throwing my six huge bucks because I wouldn't let her canter. That is totally UNlike her!
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Oh yeah, and the RB literally made her bloom that spring. She was dappled from her butt to her shoulders! I couldn't believe how great she looked!

I ride her 1-2 days in the arena, I walk 1/2 a mile to a beautiful, large, sandy ring. Typically I ride for an hour. The other days I ride on trail. I'm lucky enough to have flat, straight, wide, groomed trails for riding. Usually I take her out for 1-2 hours. We do walk trot and canter out there. While she's never come up sore the following day I am a little worried she's going to over do it out there. This always been a horse who needs more mental work then physical work. Recently, not so much!
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My Arab, Cloney, doesn't have any physical challenges but he is high energy and needs mental stimulation. So, we work up hill (when we can find one), in and out of trees, around rocks, up and down transitions and sidepassing, doing spins, you name it out on the trail. It doesn't take too long to get him focused as long as I make him think. Since you have wide flat trails, maybe some serpentine work, sidepassing, diagonal work, all things she has to concentrate on, on top of working longer but not necessarily harder.
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post #17 of 25 Old 05-10-2017, 12:23 AM
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She DOES look really good, are you sure you want to change?

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She DOES look really good, are you sure you want to change?
She does looks awesome! I'm looking for something comparable. I guess worst case if it doesn't work I can swap back. I like the way she looks, I don't mind the energy, but I can't take the "about to explode" part. She gave me 5 good bucks the other day because I wouldn't let her canter. Totally not like her. With all the feeds in the market there has to be something that she'll look good on AND be able to maintain her cool with.
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I changed from lmf sr to nutrena sr and nutrena safe choice special diet . horses are doing great . i also five them alfalfa pellets, sometimes they get picky with the hay and pasture .
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Is your horse being fed 1x a day her feed ration or twice a day?
Obviously a large difference in amount of calories she is needing to utilize if fed 2x a day at 3 pounds per feeding of Strategy HE...

The Strategy line of feeds are energy/calorie dense so less fed is like feeding near double in many other brands of feed.
Have you considered cutting back the amount of Strategy and upping the Amplify fat nugget so she maintains her weight if you think that is a issue?
Or increase the ration balancer if she does so well with it....
What about her having more turnout time?
Riding her longer and longer makes her fitter and fitter = more energy to deal with and possibly more attitude.

I have several friends who feed regular Strategy GX to their horses...
The one comment I have heard repeatedly is no one got hot on it...
All looked amazing but kept their brains, and their sanity was well in control when ridden.

I too have to wonder if it is a combination of good food, feet feeling better and "spring" sillies in the air.
You are in NY are you not and the weather has been delightful as of late hasn't it?
Haven't you also in recent months done some different sort of farrier work? Or was that someone else..

And sadly the one I hope it isn't...
She is bucking when you ride her...
Is she telling you she has a problem and is hurting so bucking, antsy and a handful trying to please you but also trying to deal with ouch, ouch, ouch...
I sure hope this one is totally ruled out!

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