Weight management at boarding facilities - Page 4 - The Horse Forum
 34Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #31 of 36 Old 08-01-2014, 12:05 PM Thread Starter
Green Broke
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Midwest
Posts: 4,936
• Horses: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by walkinthewalk View Post
It is true Morgan's are Poster Children for IR but, so are Arabs. Yet I have a 28 year old Arab who shows no signs in his blood work of high insulin or cortisol levels.

There are exceptions

That said, your Morgan looks great and it once upon a time, I'd say she is "bout near perfect" but these days I have two formally diagnosed metabolic horses, so if she lost a few pounds, it wouldn't hurt her

While I understand and sympathize with the barn owner's "one size fits all". It really is a stupid crock of you-know-what-concept. Its ONLY well-served purpose is the ease of feeding for the barn help.

In this day and age, the barn help AND the BO should know exactly how much that scoop of feed weighs on a scale, for starters.

Second behind that, I understand that some horses in the boarding barn are probably being schooled pretty hard and can easily tolerate the grain in that feed.

However, the barn owner should wise up and supply a low starch ration balancer for the horses who don't do much of anything. As hard as I used to trail ride, I was basically a weekend warrior because I worked 40 50 hours thru the week. More than one vet said my horses were being over-grained and would never burn all those calories up, so I cut everyone way back.

THAT conversation was in the late 90's, long before everyone was discovering they had horses with metabolic issues

Yes, this is a rant against your BO for that idiotic "standardized feeding program. She needs to offer at least two feed programs:

1. Feed for horses in serious, every day work.
2. Ration balancer for horses not doing much of anything and need low starch.



EDITED TO ADD: You posted those adorable pics while I was typing. I love love love the old Lippit Morgans. Ana's dam looks to have Lippit breeding. Years ago, I had a backyard bred Morab who was Eyptian Arab and Lippit Morgan cross. He was a solid blood bay and the most adorable, loving, loyal horse. I laid him to rest when he was 27 due to low ringbone from his previous owner's sons racing him against cars on the macadam road:(
Thanks for your reply. The barn manager is really nice and mostly leaves the daily stuff such as feeding to the two Mexican gentlemen. I double checked her feed ration this morning and it looks like a more appropriate amount, although I didn't have a scale with me so I couldn't get an exact measurement. I don't think they are trying to be difficult at all, we are allowed to provide our own feed and supplements at our own expense; they do their best to follow directions but they have so many horses to feed every day, they can't really run around with a scale, so I totally understand that.

I might bring my own scale to the barn and pre-measure her feed and put it into individual bags. Next time the vet comes out, I'll have him run a metabolic panel on her just to see where she stands and talk to him about feed and supplements. If necessary, I will provide my own feed and measure everything out for her.

She is the only Morgan there so they may not be aware about IR. The rest of the horses are mostly TBs, and WBs...with a sprinkle of QHs, one Arab and other misc. breeds.
Yogiwick likes this.
frlsgirl is offline  
post #32 of 36 Old 08-01-2014, 12:19 PM Thread Starter
Green Broke
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Midwest
Posts: 4,936
• Horses: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zexious View Post
What the heck? :O Baby Ana is the cutest thing ever ;-;

Subbing to see how this all pans out :>
If you thought the other picture was cute...wait til you see this:
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Ana as Foal.jpg (51.4 KB, 32 views)
frlsgirl is offline  
post #33 of 36 Old 08-01-2014, 01:02 PM
Yearling
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 979
• Horses: 1
I have a half Morgan (other half is Paint), and I've been through all this trouble, starting with an overweight horse that wouldn't lose weight and finally he foundered last year.
He's my first own horse, and I'm a bit ashamed to say that I wasn't aware of the gravity of the situation.
Long story short, although I would much prefer for him to be roaming out on pasture with other horses all day, he just can't be on grass. Maybe he could've taken an hr or two per day, but - although it seems the most "natural" - 24/7 pasture was just not good for him. I worked him lots, tried pastures of different size and grass length, tried grazing muzzles, but he just gets fat on anything.
Unfortunately it took for him to founder until I took the decisions that needed to be taken and put him in a dirt paddock with very limited and controlled feed. He now eats less than the little Norwegians next to him (who aren't exactly hard keepers either) and keeps his weight just fine.

Ideally, my horse should live on a large area of desert, where he moves around lots for very little feed. But unfortunately we don't live in the desert...

What I'm trying to say is don't wait till she has huge problems. Do what you need to do now rather than later.
Posted via Mobile Device
Regula is offline  
post #34 of 36 Old 08-01-2014, 01:40 PM Thread Starter
Green Broke
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Midwest
Posts: 4,936
• Horses: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by Regula View Post
I have a half Morgan (other half is Paint), and I've been through all this trouble, starting with an overweight horse that wouldn't lose weight and finally he foundered last year.
He's my first own horse, and I'm a bit ashamed to say that I wasn't aware of the gravity of the situation.
Long story short, although I would much prefer for him to be roaming out on pasture with other horses all day, he just can't be on grass. Maybe he could've taken an hr or two per day, but - although it seems the most "natural" - 24/7 pasture was just not good for him. I worked him lots, tried pastures of different size and grass length, tried grazing muzzles, but he just gets fat on anything.
Unfortunately it took for him to founder until I took the decisions that needed to be taken and put him in a dirt paddock with very limited and controlled feed. He now eats less than the little Norwegians next to him (who aren't exactly hard keepers either) and keeps his weight just fine.

Ideally, my horse should live on a large area of desert, where he moves around lots for very little feed. But unfortunately we don't live in the desert...

What I'm trying to say is don't wait till she has huge problems. Do what you need to do now rather than later.
Posted via Mobile Device
Thanks. I'll see what can be done. She loves her pasture buddies so it will be hard for her to say good-bye to them. She was on a gigantic pasture before and actually lost weight; probably because she didn't get fed very much grain at all and was constantly moving. She also got the snot kicked out of her by the other mares on the pasture which is one of the reason's we switched barns.
frlsgirl is offline  
post #35 of 36 Old 08-01-2014, 07:56 PM
Trained
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Middle Tennessee
Posts: 8,317
• Horses: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by frlsgirl View Post
Thanks for your reply. The barn manager is really nice and mostly leaves the daily stuff such as feeding to the two Mexican gentlemen. I double checked her feed ration this morning and it looks like a more appropriate amount, although I didn't have a scale with me so I couldn't get an exact measurement. I don't think they are trying to be difficult at all, we are allowed to provide our own feed and supplements at our own expense; they do their best to follow directions but they have so many horses to feed every day, they can't really run around with a scale, so I totally understand that.

I might bring my own scale to the barn and pre-measure her feed and put it into individual bags. Next time the vet comes out, I'll have him run a metabolic panel on her just to see where she stands and talk to him about feed and supplements. If necessary, I will provide my own feed and measure everything out for her.

She is the only Morgan there so they may not be aware about IR. The rest of the horses are mostly TBs, and WBs...with a sprinkle of QHs, one Arab and other misc. breeds.
First, please stop posting all these adorable pictures -- Ana has (think the old song) "Personality".

Think another old time song where she seems to be singing "I am so pretty --- oh so pretty"

It's good they do try to be accommodating at the barn. If the folks feeding the horses really care for them, I'm sure explaining why your horse can only have X amount of whatever product you bring, will help them understand why they have to follow "the vet's rules".

When the vet comes out have him draw two viles of blood. One to check insulin levels, the other to check cortisol levels. I don't know what the feeding criteria is for drawing blood for those tests.

Along with insulin resistance and cushings, there is also something called Equine Metabolic Syndrome. It sort of mimics IR but isn't, even though the horse can have elevated insulin. It affects the endocrine system more than anything. Cortisol levels should help in that regard.

2010 was the last time I had them done. My horses could only have grass hay and water after 10:00 PM the night before and nothing in their feed pans until after the vet came and drew blood. Ask the vet how that all works in today's world

As an FYI, the Foundation Mare of record for the Tennessee Walking Horse is a black Morgan mare named Maggie Marshall. She was either grand or great-grand daughter to Figure.

Morgans ARE gaited The signature gait of those who are, is a singlefoot. My granddad had a Welsh/Morgan mare that had a champagne smooth singlefoot and was a little ball of chestnut fire. She was a very forward horse and I was the only one of the grand kids that was allowed to ride the sweetie face.

In spite of what I said at the beginning of this post, more pictures would be welcome
frlsgirl and Yogiwick like this.

A Good Horseman Doesn't Have To Tell Anyone; The Horse Already Knows.

I CAN'T ride 'em n slide 'em. I HAVE to lead 'em n feed 'em Thnx cowchick77.
walkinthewalk is online now  
post #36 of 36 Old 08-01-2014, 10:22 PM
Trained
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Colorado
Posts: 8,228
• Horses: 1
/Dies. Yes. That is the cutest thing ever ;-; <3
Yogiwick likes this.

The sensitivity of the internet baffles me.
Zexious is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the The Horse Forum forums, you must first register.

Already have a Horse Forum account?
Members are allowed only one account per person at the Horse Forum, so if you've made an account here in the past you'll need to continue using that account. Please do not create a new account or you may lose access to the Horse Forum. If you need help recovering your existing account, please Contact Us. We'll be glad to help!

New to the Horse Forum?
Please choose a username you will be satisfied with using for the duration of your membership at the Horse Forum. We do not change members' usernames upon request because that would make it difficult for everyone to keep track of who is who on the forum. For that reason, please do not incorporate your horse's name into your username so that you are not stuck with a username related to a horse you may no longer have some day, or use any other username you may no longer identify with or care for in the future.



User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Old Thread Warning
This thread is more than 90 days old. When a thread is this old, it is often better to start a new thread rather than post to it. However, If you feel you have something of value to add to this particular thread, you can do so by checking the box below before submitting your post.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Where do you find boarding facilities? Eolith Horse Talk 8 03-09-2014 07:04 PM
Large boarding facilities always like this? Jacksmama Horse Boarding 12 02-03-2014 05:50 PM
Interviewing Boarding Facilities frlsgirl Horse Boarding 15 01-17-2014 11:16 PM
Boarding Facilities Katiy Horse Boarding 1 01-07-2014 02:40 AM
Edmonton Boarding Facilities Marchand Horse Boarding 8 02-09-2012 04:10 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome