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post #1 of 27 Old 03-09-2014, 07:35 AM Thread Starter
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PLEASE READ -- The difference between animal rights and animal welfare

I have been criticized many times for my adamant stance against animal rights nuts (activists). I have explained many times that I am all for animal welfare but adamantly fight animal rights nuts every chance I get. Here is a link to an article in The Draft Horse Journal that explains exactly why I am so against animal rights advocates and their agenda. Please read, especially if you think animal rights is a good cause.


Pass this on to anyone you know that might be confused about the 'real' agenda of animal right groups like the HSUS.


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I saw a clip from Jimmy Fallon the other night, Liam Neeson said something to the effect of, if anyone knew anything, they'd know those carriage horses are not mis-treated.

Jimmy Fallon backs Liam Neeson's campaign to stop Mayor de Blasio's horse carriage ban - NY Daily News

Liam Neeson + Draft horses = swoon!!!

Sorry Cherie, slightly off topic but with this sort of star power, I wonder what is going to happen.

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What a great article. I loved the analogy of the predator and pray.The rest of the herd runs and the predator gets stronger and stronger with each kill. Soon,no one is safe!
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Animal rights proponents contend that animals have the same rights as humans, and so it is inherently immoral and unethical to use animals for any human purpose under any circumstance, including food, clothing, recreation, entertainment, work or medical research.
Let me guess, these people:

Do not eat meat
Do not wear leather products, shoes, coats, etc.
Do not have leather car seats
Do not use plastic bags as they contain animal fat
Do not drive a car or bicycle as rubber contains stearic acid (animal by-product)
Do not use Bio Fuels as they contain animal byproducts
Do not use Fabric Softener as it contains Dihydrogenated tallow dimethyl ammonium chloride from animals
Do not use Shampoo as it contains over 20 animal byproducts
Do not use Toothpaste as it contains Glycerin an animal byproduct
Do not use Sugar (white or brown) as it is processed using Ash from animal bones
Do not have Dogs or Cats as their food contains animal byproducts
Do not take any type of Medicine as 75% of them contain some kind of animal byproduct.

Until these Animal Right Advocates give up the things on the above list and 100's of everything else not listed, they need to go back under their rock and quit being so self righteous

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I saw that same Jimmy Fallon interview. I loved that Liam Neeson really pushed back on Fallon for backing the ban. Here is another article about the interview.
Liam Neeson speaks out against Mayor de Blasio's horse carriage ban - NY Daily News

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How are these animal rights people going to "rehome" all these animals they "rescue" from the evil hands of humans? Set them free?

Then we'll have 10 billion stray cats, 5 million stray dogs and millions of wild horses running around the country, which are already problems for the population. Some animals are meant to be cared for by humans. They are so far domesticated it would be cruelty to set them free.
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How are these animal rights people going to "rehome" all these animals they "rescue" from the evil hands of humans?
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That's just the thing, they won't rehome any of them. They are all about noise and show but nothing about substance and actually doing what they say. I've had "discussions" with AR folks and at the time I had had 40 horses sort of dropped in my lap.

When discussing the ban on slaughter I said to the group, "I have 40 horses that the owner doesn't want. He'll give them away free if that's what it takes, or he'll take them to slaughter, he really doesn't care. How many would you each like and where would you like them delivered?" and then the excuses started.

"Oh no! I couldn't possibly take a horse! What are you crazy?" "I don't want a HORSE! They're too much work." Uh huh, so where exactly would you like to see these unwanted horses GO? Their owners won't feed them forever.

I have no use or tolerance for AR people and groups. They are not going to actually get dirty caring for one of these smelly, dirty things.

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Those articles were really good! I'm all for animal welfare. 100% I will stand behind it and scream and shout till it shapes up. Activism though, well, that's a different story. It's a joke.

I do not live in NY but from what I see and sometimes work with in the carriage driving industry here is nothing compared to the picture these activists create. Those horses are treated like royalty; they're the best kids horses and are just sweethearts all around. If they don't like working in the city then they go to work in the country doing private venues and giving demonstrations, they're given breaks and loved on and retire either to pasture, or get sold to families who are looking for kids horses, or elderly people looking for a driving horse.

I've always told the activists who fight against horses being ridden/worked with to go shut up or do the mature thing and go work with horses for a few years. Do you have your bad apples? Sure. Name one sport or business that doesn't. I would much rather spend my time fighting for the animals who DON'T get basic care and are not treated well then fighting because my panties are in a knot about something I have no clue over. It's a lot like racing in my mind. Some horses are treated awful, and make me so mad at the industry I could stamp and scream and call fowl play over. But I've seen some really good race horse owners who made it pretty big and never compromised their horses well being throughout the races. It's not right for me to throw a tantrum which punishes everyone good and bad when I could be throwing a tantrum (or rocks, sticks, etc ) at the people who give the industry a bad rap.

You go Cherie! I actually just posted it to my FB/printed it out and posted it on my roommates door. lol Somethings gonna hit the fan in 2 hours!
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That is one of the problems.

Their solution is to stop breeding any animal for human use and kill all of the ones that are already here. They have 'put down' just about any animal they get their hands on saying that killing the animal (they call it 'humane euthanasia') is better than having it exploited.

If you want to see what the HSUS is all about, Google 'HSUS Fraud'.
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I dare anybody who thinks the NYC carriage horses have a bad deal to spend just one month working for the cart horse protection association here in South Africa.
Cart Horse Protection Association
Those horses have a raw deal. But they are all their owners have, their only way to make a living. And they love them more than life itself.
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