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post #1 of 16 Old 01-24-2018, 09:40 AM Thread Starter
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ATTN Dressage People!

Mind my position, it's hard to look nice when you have an enormous set of withers up your unmentionables

But.... what are your thoughts on my mare's second day doing walk pirouettes? I see the moments of resistance, and believe they come from her uncertainty - she is still rather green when it comes to this kind of work & I do not ride with spurs often (only when we're doing lateral work) so there was a lot of new stuff for her to cope with and she um... doesn't

What can I do to make what I want clearer, beyond praising when I get it? Am I missing something? I am not a dressage person and this is my jumping prospect - I'm using these movements as exercises to build suppleness and understanding of the aids - so all constructive input is appreciated! <3

(I do have a nice arena to ride in, I was just too lazy to dismount and open the gate)


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post #2 of 16 Old 01-24-2018, 10:42 AM
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This is not a true walk pirouette but simply turning on the spot. A proper walk pirouette is used to show collection and balance/regain balance. Thereís no collection in this video and no hind end engagement. This is seen when asked to begin the turn she is on the forehand, almost comes to a halt and the hind end is left trailing behind, rather than a clean movement. When performing the turn the horse makes a few baby step shuffles in the hind end but mostly pivotes on the one leg. In a correct walk pirouette there is no pivoting. This is caused by losing momentum and control of the hind, so rather then stepping around the turn the horse is just swinging its hind end out. Lastly I would point out the lack of bend which is making the whole thing fall apart. You need to be asking for a lot more flexion to prepare the green horse to perform a turn like this. Without it what you have is a log and logs donít drive very well! Hope this helps.
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post #3 of 16 Old 01-24-2018, 11:31 AM Thread Starter
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Thank you! I knew I was missing something. Turns out I'm missing a lot

Oh well, like I said, not a dressage person. Guess I still have a lot to work on!
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Looks like a turn on the forehand but thatís a basis for a walk pirouette as the horse needs to be able to move body parts independently as a foundation! Something to build on which is good
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post #5 of 16 Old 01-24-2018, 11:52 AM
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Yea, not quite it. Remeber, your going for a pirouette, not a spin. Don't think about it as stop and turn. Think shorten, shorten, then around. Take a wider track until you can feel the legs working, then as they get stronger and balanced, close the distance. Or do a quarter or half turn then walk out of it.

You also need the horse more on the outside rein. When you go to stop, look how their head goes up
That's not a horse whose connected. You want them to be as straight as possible with an inside bend.
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This is going to sound like an excuse and I'm sorry for that butttt.... I think a lot of her failing to stay soft in the bridle was because of how I was riding today. She tries very hard and I think I was getting in her way a lot.
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I don't see the point in even concerning yourself with whether it is a walk pirhoette or a turn on the haunches. It doesn't matter. What you are doing is basically playing with your horse, exploring her body and her willingness to do something new, and working to encourage her 'try' and all that.

I think it's rather cute to see the two of you 'playing' together. people should 'play' more with their horses. I think your mare is listening to you and giving you a really nice try. And, you can help her a little bit more by working with her to have more softness in her poll and jaw.

Her conformation has her with a very straight neck, which will make it hard for her to bend there. However, patient work asking her to flex at the poll, both vertically and more importantly, laterally, will help.

If you really want to get a critique on your riding, or on your horse, don't do it bareback. take away that 'excuse' and ride with your best advantage.
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I think it matters. She came asking about a walk pirouette, not a ToH. Its about the accuracy of the request since the aids are quite different. A properly executed walk pirouette will teach the horse different things. Op has a jumper. Doing a roll back needs to mimic a pirouette more than toh. If they instead plant a hind foot and spin, they won't have the power and balance to properly face the next element. It will matter when the fences get higher and the distances closer.
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Looks like a turn on the forehand but that’s a basis for a walk pirouette as the horse needs to be able to move body parts independently as a foundation! Something to build on which is good
Looks like a turn on the haunches, not forhand
Turn on the forhand, has the hips moving, while front end is the pivot point
I agree it looks more like a starting point on working on a spin, where the horse stays flat, crossing over in front, versus a pirouette,where the horse elevates in front, versus reaching and crossing over correctly in front. A pirouette, to me, looks like a roll back, broken down in segments
I am sure there is a huge difference, just an observation from outside the discipline.

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Looks like a turn on the forehand but thatís a basis for a walk pirouette as the horse needs to be able to move body parts independently as a foundation! Something to build on which is good
Looks like a turn on the haunches, not forhand
Turn on the forhand, has the hips moving, while front end is the pivot point
I agree it looks more like a starting point on working on a spin, where the horse stays flat, crossing over in front, versus a pirouette,where the horse elevates in front, versus reaching and crossing over correctly in front. A pirouette, to me, looks like a roll back, broken down in segments
I am sure there is a huge difference, just an observation from outside the discipline.

Oh whoops yes haunches not forehand! Night shift brain haha
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