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post #1 of 27 Old 01-26-2015, 07:31 PM Thread Starter
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Biting while bareback riding

Hello -

I would like some advice on my mare's lovely new habit of biting me while bare back riding.

Some background :
-I don't have any formal training in any discipline ... I've just been doing trial and error all these years so what you see probably won't look pretty
-I've always had good luck bareback riding with her before.
-I think it's most likely behavioral (rather than a reaction to pain ) because she seems to want to bite at the same place in the ride every time (the place where we started from (so barn sour))
- I recently switched to riding bareback while I look for a new (gaited horse?) saddle; she has been resorting to pacing instead of her gait and I started thinking perhaps my saddles were inhibiting her or hurting her ( I have 5 saddles and none fit her, what gives?)
- she doesn't try this under saddle but honestly if I was in the saddle my knee jerk reaction would most likely let her teeth meet my boot (I know, bad, it's instinctive)
- she was doing great with groundwork (albeit very bored and a little dull but by no means did she give me any 'tude)
-But I'm open to advice about my seat, what I may be doing to trigger it, how I should handle it

Link: http://youtu.be/FBCPhUZB6R0

Thanks for any help,

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Another example http://youtu.be/8CWWQd7Xo6g
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- she doesn't try this under saddle but honestly if I was in the saddle my knee jerk reaction would most likely let her teeth meet my boot (I know, bad, it's instinctive)

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Personally, I'd be doing the above (bolded), even bareback, unless you don't think you can stay on afterwards (maybe wear a helmet that day). I don't think it's a bad thing to do, she's trying hard to nail you. In my world if it's them or me, I make sure it's them!

She may know you don't have as much control without a saddle and that's why she's trying it (I assume she doesn't do this with the saddle on).

She is doing this on purpose and you have to stop it asap.
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With bareback, sometimes your coccyx (tail bone) can grind on the horse's spine as you roll back onto your pockets. I noticed in the first video she tried to nip you after a slight lurch back where you did roll back your pelvis slightly onto your tail.

Since she doesn't do it under saddle, it may be her trying to tell you it hurts. Try to borrow a good thick bareback pad from someone and see if she still does the same thing.
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Since she doesn't do it under saddle, it may be her trying to tell you it hurts. Try to borrow a good thick bareback pad from someone and see if she still does the same thing.
She mentioned it was only in the same place though. But you do make a good point.
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With bareback, sometimes your coccyx (tail bone) can grind on the horse's spine as you roll back onto your pockets. I noticed in the first video she tried to nip you after a slight lurch back where you did roll back your pelvis slightly onto your tail.

Since she doesn't do it under saddle, it may be her trying to tell you it hurts. Try to borrow a good thick bareback pad from someone and see if she still does the same thing.
YES, I have one at my other barn, I will dig it out. It is my cue to her to stop, to sit back on my pockets or sit deepr (I'm trying to learn to ride with a lot less reins). But it doesn't do a lot of good if it hurts her. I will try the bareback pad.

@EponaLynn thanks for your advice as well. When I was younger I would have given her a hearty kick to the nose while bareback but these days I'm more conscious of hitting the ground since it hurts more as the years go on. I think in the first video you can see her tense up when I correct her on the opposeite rein - she looks like her next move will be more drastic if I irritate her even more. She is definitely doing this on purpose and it's just sad because we used to be so good together.

In this situation - what should I do as far as getting on with the rest of the ride? My goal today was to get a video of her gait (or lack thereof), but I had to cut it short b/c of her attitude. I walked her around and around for another 20 min or so but she continued to act like this. Eventually I picked a time when she wasn't misbehaving to end the ride. Did some more groundwork for awhile (she was bored and a lot less responsive). Frustrating. I feel like I could have walked her around a few more hours and she would have continued to steadily act like a turd.
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[QUOTE=Candio;6941586]YES, I have one at my other barn, I will dig it out. It is my cue to her to stop, to sit back on my pockets or sit deepr (I'm trying to learn to ride with a lot less reins). But it doesn't do a lot of good if it hurts her. I will try the bareback pad.



if you sit deeper in such a way that your coxyx goes down into her spine, she cannot stop well. a good stop entails the horse actually raising its spine, becuase she will tuck her hind end under while stopping. this is what you WANT. what you get if you really roll your coxyx down into the spine is the horse hollowing out to avoid her spine hitting your spine.

I am not sure that this is what is happening. I think she is just not liking you putting a leg on and is being snotty about it and you are not setting her straight.

but, a good stop is not all about rolling your pockets down. in fact, you actually want to create a bit of an openning for the horse to lift their back up into. you may shift your upper body back, and you may drop your legs further down her sides and firm up your thigh to kind of "hold" her, but by doing this, your coxyx actually will kind of arch up a tiny bit, so it encourages her to raise her back into that spot as she curls into the stop.
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YES, I have one at my other barn, I will dig it out. It is my cue to her to stop, to sit back on my pockets or sit deepr (I'm trying to learn to ride with a lot less reins). But it doesn't do a lot of good if it hurts her. I will try the bareback pad.



if you sit deeper in such a way that your coxyx goes down into her spine, she cannot stop well. a good stop entails the horse actually raising its spine, becuase she will tuck her hind end under while stopping. this is what you WANT. what you get if you really roll your coxyx down into the spine is the horse hollowing out to avoid her spine hitting your spine.

I am not sure that this is what is happening. I think she is just not liking you putting a leg on and is being snotty about it and you are not setting her straight.

but, a good stop is not all about rolling your pockets down. in fact, you actually want to create a bit of an openning for the horse to lift their back up into. you may shift your upper body back, and you may drop your legs further down her sides and firm up your thigh to kind of "hold" her, but by doing this, your coxyx actually will kind of arch up a tiny bit, so it encourages her to raise her back into that spot as she curls into the stop.
Hi Tinyliny, thanks for your comments. Do you have advice for how I should create that opening for her to lift her back into?
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She doesn't look very happy with you overall. Is she different under saddle?

Agree try a bareback pad. A gaited saddle wont' necessarily fit just because it's gaited. Nor will a normal saddle not fit.

So figure out why she's so unhappy.

That said she is biting because you let her. She's really going at you (hope she hasn't gotten you yet!) and you sit there and let her.

You'd better be booting her in the face or grab a whip and spank her HARD. This will only get worse and it's worrisome it's gotten to this point.

If you genuinely don't think you can (and honestly dont' think you should be riding bareback if t hat's the case) hop off IMMEDIATELY and get after her.

This should of happened ONCE if that.

If the saddle fits "well enough" put one on and do exactly what you're doing in the video.

Yes she seems barn sour- you're letting her be, I do think she also looks annoyed overall and uncomfortable, don't know if that's her norm or if she doesn't like BB, and she's biting because she can because she's being sour and you're letting her.
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Hi Yogiwick, thank you for your response. I guess the consensus is I should get a saddle pad and give her a good hard kick (I need to be in the saddle for that). I just don't understand, I got this horse 4 years ago and never needed a tactic that was even remotely aggressive with her, it's been so long that I've thrown out my crop. She got this bad in the span of the last TWO rides which is why I thought I'd get advice before giving her a good hard kick.
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