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post #21 of 28 Old 01-21-2016, 09:57 PM
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He's a good guy and you definitely had some good moments, right looked more consistent but you're on the right track!

And it's okay at one point I had a really messed up elbow that would lock up and I eventually figured out something in my elbow would catch and would cause it to contract strangely, so I had to make a conscious effort to relax it for a while. I also changed my sleeping pattern so my arms were always aligned when I slept because I figured it had to be related lol. I also did squat exercises with my hands touching my drawers so I had to post and move through my elbows. Whatever I struggled with, I tried to find something connected outside of the saddle and it helped.
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looks better going right than going left. I wonder why.

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post #23 of 28 Old 01-21-2016, 11:21 PM
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My guess is he's more flexible/coordinated to the right than the left. He looks more unbalanced right over left, he's leaning to the inside quite a bit but looks more flexible to the right. He also appears more active going right, so more energy from behind connects into the bridle better. Left he's not as flexible but doesn't lean as much. Some of it is crookedness and stepping too much into the left or right stirrup which to correct, looking over the outside shoulder a few strides stepping more into the outside stirrup and leg yielding out to the outside rein. Left he needs a little more bend and suppleness, little more energy to half halt. But I'd focus on the hands and crookedness first and play around with the weight in either stirrup first that's more important.

A horse like his is more straight forward (his body is more like one bending line vs something that can contort itself into a bunch of parts or a zig zag) and he looks quite ridable (allows rider to influence) but he looks like he'd be a lot to organize and piece together and it takes quite a bit of strength to half halt and put together. Not necessarily in your hands/arms but in your core, legs and upper body (back and shoulders). I've ridden a horse very similar and he was a tb/hanoverian cross about 17.1 or 17.2h sweet boy.
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one more question!!! :) (ok there will be millions of questions when it comes to riding well..)

My trainer wants me to turn my shoulders in the direction of travel.

NOW... is that a contradiction to the looking over your outside shoulder / body straightening technique? Because when i look over my outside shoulder, my outside shoulder goes back (not in the direction of travel).

And I wonder if her instruction is a H/J vs. Dressage world collision.. (She teaches both).

My trainer also seems to think if I lean right, I will push my horse left. But I have often heard that horses generally are trained to move into weight. (I guess with her line of thinking, the theory is they move away from pressure?). I've definitely ridden a dressage horse in lesson before and 'stepped' into the left stirrup and he would go left.. (and vice versa)... but I don't think my trainer is lying to me.

Anyway.. my eyes just crossed and today while i was walking my guy around, i was leaning to the right... then leaning to the left... and scientifically noting his movements. I didn't really learn much and probably looked like a lunatic.... :)

no wonder this sport is hard. I can't believe I've been riding for almost 3 years and I still get so confused sometimes over the simplest concepts!
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I remember once, like 15 years ago, going to watch a Charles De Kumfy clinic, and he suggested this to some riders at the canter. he said, when the horse lands on his leading leg, that THAT shoulder is advanced for a sec, and as the rider, you, too should advance your inside shoulder , timed to sort of "meet" that insides shoulder of the horse "touching " each other with each final beat of the canter.
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I don't want to step on toes but I disagree with your trainer.

One of my trainers also does both dressage and hunter jumpers but you do not show your chest where you are going, that creates crookedness. Looking too far to the inside creates crookedness, where as looking to the outside tends to help correct the crookedness that creates. The idea isn't that you're constantly leaning one way or the other but that you find straight and center, so you can then see how you move your body affects the horse. If your always crooked the horse will adapt to compensate.

Horses definitely travel in the direction where you put your weight. It's like if I put a 20lb backpack on you and you had it swung over one shoulder you're naturally inclined to follow the weight of the backpack. And I can say from breaking babies that is how we teach them to steer or if you ride a school master that is how they steer. It's based off of where you put your weight. Like if your rode my young horse and didn't steer that way he would have no problem running you into the wall because he puts himself under your weight. He's also a horse who can contort and twist his body in a variety of ways, so if you're not pretty straight and aware of all his pieces he will contort himself like a zig-zag (arabs are known for this). If you want him to leg yield, you almost just position, step into the outside stirrup, look where you're going and ask. The steepness being controlled between the inside leg and the outside rein. Straightness off of position and organization. If you step into the inside stirrup you may need to guide him with the outside leg because I will say we teach them to follow our weight because our goal in training is that our effort appear effortless even though nobody knows how many hours we've spent training to get it to look effortless.

I say this because straightness matters in dressage ESPECIALLY when you start moving into 2nd and 3rd level when you're doing a lot of laterals and movements and counter canter, simple and flying changes. When you do half pass and you go haunches in and into half pass (same with piroettes). Haunches in you sit more to your inside seat bone and lift the outside seat bone with the outside leg back, inside leg at girth to keep bend through the rib cage as the haunches are brought around the inside leg, then as you go into half pass you just ask the horse to travel side ways from the haunches in looking between the ears. What you see between the ears is where you're headed. If that makes sense.

Or when you pick up true canter inside leg at the girth, outside leg behind and I look over the outside shoulder if they're not getting true canter because it puts my seat bones where they need to be for canter, so that when I teach the horse to pick up either lead of canter I can get it based on my position if that makes sense. When you turn with the outside shoulder forward like you're looking where you're going, your outside seat bone is forward, inside seat bone back and that is not in line with the shoulders or the horse at canter. Inside shoulder should be forward, inside seat bone forward, outside seat bone back as you ask because you are in a way mimicking and following the horse's body. If that makes sense.

My youngster in shoulder in, so you can see where my shoulders are in relationship to him and how his body is responding. He's pretty straight but correctly bent around my inside leg in shoulder in. It's consistent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJswKAohbwI

Charlotte Dujardin. World number 1 dressage rider. Just note this is a very hot, strong and difficult young horse but it shows you a lot of what dressage riders do. There are moments when she does turn her chest in but that's for the hind leg.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXpROP5ht34

I'm including other riders too who aren't world class, except for Catherine Haddad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tcB...TXddQ&index=86

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8AneU8jz94

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLM_1MXjp1o

Sorry went really long with this but I'm trying to explain and I'm not always good at that so I get long winded trying to be detailed and conclusive. But I was going to say to your understanding of basics will constantly evolve as you discover better and better ways to do things. This is constant you'll always evolve and learn as you progress. All this sport is is learning new and better ways to do something. The moment you start feeling like you know what you're doing and you got this, you will ride a horse who will teach you a whole new set of rules and ways to ride. I think it's what makes it so hard to get cocky because every time you start feeling like you know your stuff and youre awesome, you will get knocked down many pegs and sometimes in the dirt. It's wonderful lol.

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I only hope all these ah-ha! moments I feel I got out of posting this really pay off in my next video. :) (You know the classic "I think I'm riding so much better" and then you watch a video of yourself and you're like "**** it... I still stink!" :))

LOL, I have been feeling I'm riding a lot better, I keep thinking I'll get a video done, but I haven't for that very reason, I just want to enjoy FEELING better, before I look at it and go "yeah you still stink"
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I think what you are saying about weight makes sense. and I am still confused if there's a misunderstanding going on between me and my trainer. Horses do move away from pressure, but lateral pressure. If someone throws me off balance with a sack of potatoes over one shoulder, I'm going to try and compensate and support it.

I just found a clip from Sally Swift "Centered Riding" which I think helps a little.. If I compare myself to what she says, I am over looking with my head, my nose goes out of line w/ my sternum. She thinks looking w/ your 'chest eyes' is ok - but that is probably a very slight movement, not over exaggerated. (At least this is today's theory).

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