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post #1 of 31 Old 09-01-2014, 10:55 PM Thread Starter
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Hello :)

Today I am not requesting help for Cowboy, but instead Diamond.
First of all, please ignore the tack choices. Yes, I am riding in a barrel saddle. At the moment, it is the only saddle we have that fits her properly. My Close-Contact only fits my OTTB, Cowboy. Please critique as if I were riding her HUS (Hunter Under Saddle).

I am essentially posting because I know there is something wrong, but I can't pinpoint it. This is Diamond at her WORST. This is as naughty and bad as she gets. When we trailer her anywhere, she is an angel. The head-tossing, trying to hollow out and run, prancey-ness, is all eliminated when I trailer her out to ride in any arena. The issues you see here only happen at home, where I don't have the option of a sand arena.

That said, I would like to make it so that she behaved EVERYWHERE. I'm just at a loss to how to get her to do that. I'm not trying to have the most beautiful equitation in this video, I'm trying to get her to ride like a sane horse Though if my equitation is inhibiting her, please let me know.

Without further ado! Thanks in advance! Remember, critique as if she was riding in Hunters.


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post #2 of 31 Old 09-01-2014, 11:49 PM
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YOu must consider what is different between the two locations, one where she rides like this, and the other , where you say she rides "fine". what are you experienceing about the other location that is different and good.

here, she seems to be worried about the contact with the bit. she is rushing and wanting to hollow out. could be for a lot of reasons, including saddle fit. I would have liked to see how she'd go in that video in just a walk, and in a trot where you gave her more rein.
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post #3 of 31 Old 09-02-2014, 08:04 AM
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The rider is hanging/balancing off the poor horses mouth. Every step this horse takes, it is punished with a bang. I would send the rider back to the lesson barn and be revisiting basic hand position 101 along with proper balance. The horse needs a new rider before going any further.
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post #4 of 31 Old 09-02-2014, 08:14 AM
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BugZapper, be nice ;)
Anyway, I was honestly expecting much worse. I can see she wants to work into a contact, but something is catching her. She is tense and hollow, and does not have the ability to step under herself and track up as a result. I recommend going into rising trot to free up her back.
She is worried and not concentrating and I would like to know how her teeth are doing. Bring your hands up, and closer together. They are too low and wide. I also recommend getting a small whip or stick and holding it between your thumb and the top of your first finger in each hand as you ride, joining your hands together. This forces your hands to work as a pair and if one hand goes lower or higher than the other, you will feel it.
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I ride dressage but, I think it helps every discipline so. . .

I think you definitely should post, because the horse seems a bit uncomfortable with the sitting trot, and though you arent bouncing, the horse's saddle may not a be a great fit and she might be trying to protect her back.

Watch your hands, while I get you are trying to supple the horse, they get a bit too busy at the trot. Make them quieter, and give a bit of rein. You have too much contact imo, certainly for a horse who is fighting you. You guys are just pulling against eachother. Give your reins a bit, and play softly with your finger tips on that inside rein, apply pressure on the inside leg and ask for a nice, quiet flex on the circle. Use your leg and seat aids more than your hands. This horse seems to dislike you beingin her mouth.

I notice when you change direction your new inside rein is very, very, strong. There is no need to keep getting noisy with your inside rein if the horse is ignoring you, will just make her mouth hard.

Her canter is a bit out of control the second way, I would be trying to half halt to slow it down, you can do that with your seat first and then add the outside rein part of the halfhalt, theres no reason to run around with her head in the air. That isnt fun!

Both of you need to relax as well! You seem like you almost have a death grip on those reins ;)
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But the OP says that there are no issues when she trailers out somewhere. Other than the fact if being physically in a different location, ther must be some reason for that. I agree that the riders grip is too firm, too downward pulling and she is leaning forward, too. All things that can contribute to the horses problem . But why the difference in behavior if the riding and tack is the same in both locations?
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Perhaps in a new place, the horse is able to focus on other things and keep her mind busy, when at home she can think about how uncomfortable she is?

Im not sure, something just doesnt sit well with me with her tack.
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But the OP says that there are no issues when she trailers out somewhere. Other than the fact if being physically in a different location, ther must be some reason for that. I agree that the riders grip is too firm, too downward pulling and she is leaning forward, too. All things that can contribute to the horses problem . But why the difference in behavior if the riding and tack is the same in both locations?
You don't know the rider rides the same in other locations. She may ride more sympathetically, with less rein contact and higher hands elsewhere. I know I can sometimes, quite by accident, ride differently depending on where I am!
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I recognize the giraffe like posture and hollowed back; that was my horse a few months ago.

Here is what's worked for me:

Got her teeth floated
Got a simple thick snaffle bit
If she ducks below, I push forward, if she comes above I supple
If she's resistant, I do loops and circles to soften her up
To teach her to lift her back, I've been lunging her in vienna reins

Very cute horse!
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You don't know the rider rides the same in other locations. She may ride more sympathetically, with less rein contact and higher hands elsewhere. I know I can sometimes, quite by accident, ride differently depending on where I am!
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true. I guess I am asking the OP what IS different. the one thing that can come to mind is that a horse will be more alert and outwardly focussed in a new situation, so maybe the mare is ignoring her discomfort becuase she is looking out and is engaged in her new surroundings, so disregards any issue with saddle or bit/contact.
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