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post #11 of 22 Old 12-03-2014, 09:04 PM
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I actually think you guys look very good.

Depending on your horses level of training/fitness, there are things that could be improved, but it's impossible to ask for it all at the beginning! Your horse looks soft and forward, she is bending the hind joints and loading weight on the hocks. She seems to be supple and over her back in your pics.

Good job!
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post #12 of 22 Old 12-07-2014, 01:28 AM
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Well, here's my two cents.. I think you and your horse look very good. She does look heavy on her front though. If she were mine, I would really focus on getting her light in the mouth again. Right away. Like make that number one. If she's heavy in the mouth, then everything else that follows the mouth (which is the rest of the body, righto?) is going to be heavy too. Which is probably why you're not getting a good stride. The number one thing that people mess up on here is that they think they need to hold that horse in collection the entire time they're on them. Don't do that. Forget that. Pretend that your reins are yarn. If you pull too hard or too long, they will bust, right? Don't break the yarn! It's a sin! ;) Instead, light pulls or tugs with some leg cues. Get her to collect, release. Get her to collect, release. Get her to collect, release. See the pattern? Short cues like that take a little teensy weensy bit longer to grasp when you are retraining, BUT the out come is outstanding. The way your mare is built, she is perfectly capable of keeping herself collected =)
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post #13 of 22 Old 12-08-2014, 05:14 AM Thread Starter
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I've had her for nearly a year now, but I don't really like riding her compared to my other mare, so she hasn't had much work. My other mare has now injured herself and has been retired so this mare is getting a bit more work and I am planning to sell her.

The issue i'm having with softening her up is that she is realy dull - It's like any pressure is just white noise until it reaches the critical point which is a LOT of pressure. Anything less than that and she is quite happy to chug along lugging on the bit.

I do a lot of riding just on a loose rein (I HATE heavy horses and like them to be feather light, my other mare is butter soft) but even this is a struggle - as soon as you let some rein out she hunts for it and speeds up, so she needs a lot of BIG checks until she will rate herself and cruise along on a loose rein.

I admit though I haven't put the amount of work into her as I should, as I don't enjoy riding her and we have a personality clash, so I make excuses! I need to really get stuck into it and make some progress or she will never get sold. Thanks for the ideas everybody. She isn't as bad as I make her out to be, she just suffers in comparison to my other mare.

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post #14 of 22 Old 12-12-2014, 02:03 PM
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I've had her for nearly a year now, but I don't really like riding her compared to my other mare, so she hasn't had much work. My other mare has now injured herself and has been retired so this mare is getting a bit more work and I am planning to sell her.

The issue i'm having with softening her up is that she is realy dull - It's like any pressure is just white noise until it reaches the critical point which is a LOT of pressure. Anything less than that and she is quite happy to chug along lugging on the bit.

I do a lot of riding just on a loose rein (I HATE heavy horses and like them to be feather light, my other mare is butter soft) but even this is a struggle - as soon as you let some rein out she hunts for it and speeds up, so she needs a lot of BIG checks until she will rate herself and cruise along on a loose rein.

I admit though I haven't put the amount of work into her as I should, as I don't enjoy riding her and we have a personality clash, so I make excuses! I need to really get stuck into it and make some progress or she will never get sold. Thanks for the ideas everybody. She isn't as bad as I make her out to be, she just suffers in comparison to my other mare.
If she is hard in the mouth and faster on a loose rein, she is not balanced or strong enough to hold herself up.

Young horses (and this includes horses not in continuous work) need to build their strength in order to balance themselves before they can do the work asked of them correctly.

A young horse that is brought up out of the loose rein in the forward-down-out position, will be able to stay over the back and supple for only a short time. This could be 3 steps or 3 times around the arena. After their strength is expended, they cannot hold themselves up, the back drops, and they WILL fall on the forehand, and the bit for support.

This sounds like your mare, to me. She just needs more correct work to strengthen the back. This takes time and work; there are no easy short cuts that don't end in travesty!

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post #15 of 22 Old 12-13-2014, 01:07 PM
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My stock answer for these kind of horses. Spirals. You may need a little spur, if she is super dull.

She is a beautiful mare, and looks like a glorious mover.
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post #16 of 22 Old 12-13-2014, 01:43 PM
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Sounds a lot like my QH when I first started working him. He was heavy in my hands and very insecure on a loose rein. It felt like wanted me to help carry him around the arena.

When I started working with my HJ trainer she told me "don't worry about his head, get him moving!" I didn't think I had been trying to hold him in a frame but looking back I think I was. I also thought I had him moving pretty forward but I guess not!

A few months of just getting a forward trot and doing lots of walk trot transistor ions and he became much stronger! He is now very light and a delight to ride. His stride has lengthen significantly and his back has become visibly more muscled. The way my trainer explained it was that you can't have collection without getting the back end to really work and the first step is to ask for more power behind with a big working trot.

Anyway, it helped me a lot. You'll also have to have some patients as she develops the muscles to really work and shift her wieght from forehand to her haunches.

And also, if she is like my guy as much as she looks in these photos watch her down transitions, I bet she wants to just fall on the bit. Use lots of leg and maybe even a crop to keep her front end up so she uses her butt to do the work.

Happy riding!
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post #17 of 22 Old 12-14-2014, 03:45 AM
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Nice looking horse. Reminds me of a QH that was imported to the UK many moons age and the ' on the forehand problem' the same.

What I see is that you have a good position, your hands are good but to me, and it is hard looking at pictures, that you are fixing your wrists. If she is bearing down on them it is hard not to set against her.

Leg, leg amd more leg, wear spurs of she is lazy.

Try riding in one of two ways, first have the reins the wrong way round so that the rein comes over the big finger, held by the thumb, whilst the forefinger points along the rein.
The other thing is to ride with your reins crossed, left hand holds the right rein and right the left. You can hold the reins conventionally or as above. Asking for a bend or turn the outside hand has to come over the withers so you are still using an open rein.
Either/both of these will stop you setting the wrist and the latter will help to stop her leaning,
All the time lots of leg.
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post #18 of 22 Old 12-14-2014, 03:50 AM
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You do not want a horse to be touching itself when it trots.
A horse that forges - when the toe of the back foot foot catches the toe of the front, does not mean the horse is 'active' it can mean that the horse is not using its shoulders or that it is shod incorrectly and the break over is late.
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post #19 of 22 Old 12-14-2014, 04:13 AM
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Considering her build and her heaviness in hand, you might experiment with a curb bit of a milder type.

That's. One thing to try.

Maybe look at riding her more as a western style mount.

This horse wouldn't likely track up much to the point of forging no matter what. She is a totally different type than Diddly, having a much longer back and more downhill build. Neither have I ever heard of forging considered a desirable thing.
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post #20 of 22 Old 12-14-2014, 04:58 AM Thread Starter
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I have thought of that Tiny, it might be my next step with her. I hate having to use to use SO much pressure to achieve a response in a snaffle. If I have any money left over Christmas I might see if I can find one I like to try.

Thanks for the ideas everybody. She definitely isn't lazy - she is quite forward.

Have had a couple of good rides after going to a one day clinic with a good horseman I know. I think part of my problem is I am so used to my other mare who is super soft, I don't become assertive enough with her until it gets to the point where I have to go overboard. I need to be more assertive to start with so that hopefully we don't have to reach that point.

She also gets way more bract when she gets straight, so keeping her bent through the body and neck seems to be galling, though it is exhausting for me and hard on the hands as sometimes it takes a lot of strength to get her there where I can give a release.

I don't have an arena of any sort, in fact hardly any flat ground, and often when I ride it is to get a job done, mustering etc. so unfortunately I don't have the luxury of keeping her away from those situations until she softens - just have to do what I can do as we go along. I did have a good ride on her a few days ago moving Bulls, she kept her head a bit better and did some really good work at a gallop bendigone fellow who didn't want to leave his girls. Better ride than I've had on her for a while.
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