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post #11 of 33 Old 03-14-2016, 04:13 PM
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i think that saddle may also be too small for you.

i'd like to see a few photos of the saddle on your horse, tacked up in the normal way but you not in it, then maybe a few from different angles with NO pad under it, just positioned where you normally put it. let's look at how it fits your horse (you can look at other saddle fit threads for ways on how to do good fit eval photos)

then, take some photos of you IN the saddle. I just get the feeling that not only is the fit of the saddle causing the front to be too high, the saddle itself may be too small for your leg, AND if by the design of the saddle itself, the stirrup bar is too far forward, you will never be able to get in correct alingment.


see, in order to post "effortlessly" you need to be able to line up your center of gravity over the stirrup, and it works best if that stirrup bar (that metal thing from which the stirrups hang) is right UNDER your thigh when you are sitting, not in front of it.


I just found this old thread on the stirrup bar placement :

https://www.horseforum.com/horse-tack...alance-293449/
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The first thing I saw in your photos was that your stirrups are short and your saddle is small. Your horse is not too small.
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A dressage saddle will/should look much further back than another type due to the lack of a flap. That straight drop should ALL be BEHIND the shoulder/blade. Better too far back than too far forward (you don't want to affect fit or be riding on her bum of course, but it's unlikely you would end up doing it that extremely).

I would think your instructor would say something if the placement was off.

What was your old saddle? You are not riding as a match to this saddle (you may be more comfortable in another type) A dressage seat really needs a longer leg and even if you aren't used to it some of those saddles really NEED it. I would drop your stirrup a ton, your knee should be behind the knee roll not on it That is there to hold your leg in position.

Yes the most important thing is the saddle fit the horse, BUT the second most important thing is it fits you. This may not be the right saddle? You look like a hunt seat rider not a dressage rider, and it can be a pain to try and compromise with a saddle. Unless you want to learn to change your form, which is great, but up to you.

Also, you and your horse are a cute match. I would think 15hh is perfect for you. And honestly, from the title the pictures really aren't that bad. I was trained hunt seat and while I am intentionally trying to learn more dressage and coincidentally riding in a lot of dressage saddles I tend to look more like you than that lovely lady on the grey.
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From the little that we can see of the stirrup leathers they appear to be angled forward instead of straight down, which suggests, as you already know it's from your leg.
Yes, lengthen your stirrups, then with your horse standing still, stand in the stirrups then sit straight down while keeping your legs in that position. Use your core to lower yourself instead of dropping your butt. Try to have more inner thigh against the saddle versus the back of your thighs.
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post #15 of 33 Old 03-14-2016, 08:43 PM Thread Starter
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i think that saddle may also be too small for you.
I think you're right. When I bought it from a used tack shop, the lady said it was a jumper saddle, but it felt like a dressage saddle to me (which I ride in because I'm an English trail rider) so I bought it anyway. Turns out I was right, it's dressage. But she also said it was 17" and now I'm wondering if she was just confusing the saddle I bought with another one. Maybe it's smaller than that. From what you said, I'm thinking that's the case. Now I'm upset because I'm on a tight budget and will have to buy another saddle.

And looking at pictures of my old saddle, I definitely had more room. In the video I took these pictures from, I can clearly see that my butt takes up the entire saddle with literally no cantle left to show. Shucks. But I'm glad I posted here, because now I know.
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A dressage saddle will/should look much further back than another type due to the lack of a flap. That straight drop should ALL be BEHIND the shoulder/blade. Better too far back than too far forward (you don't want to affect fit or be riding on her bum of course, but it's unlikely you would end up doing it that extremely).

I would think your instructor would say something if the placement was off.

What was your old saddle?
You are not riding as a match to this saddle (you may be more comfortable in another type) A dressage seat really needs a longer leg and even if you aren't used to it some of those saddles really NEED it. I would drop your stirrup a ton, your knee should be behind the knee roll not on it That is there to hold your leg in position.
Unfortunately, I'm realizing from this post that my instructor definitely missed some important things about the saddle fit and my riding. So that's disappointing and slightly concerning, considering the amount of trust I had in her.

And my old saddle was a Wintec dressage. It was definitely bigger than the Stubben I'm in now, which Avna and tinyliny mentioned is obviously too small for me, which I didn't see until now because I was told when I bought it that it was a 17" seat like I'm used to. I only have a handful of pics of me in that saddle, but it looks only a tiny bit better than the ones I posted of the Stubben. And actually, my instructor had once let me borrow her really nice crazy expensive dressage saddle a year ago and I have a picture from that time that shows my legs in almost perfect position, minus my heels being up. So it's looking like I just need a bigger saddle. It's too bad I can't remember what brand of saddle it was that gave me great leg position that one time though. Haha, no like I could afford it anyway.

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Unfortunately, I'm realizing from this post that my instructor definitely missed some important things about the saddle fit and my riding. So that's disappointing and slightly concerning, considering the amount of trust I had in her.

And my old saddle was a Wintec dressage. It was definitely bigger than the Stubben I'm in now, which Avna and tinyliny mentioned is obviously too small for me, which I didn't see until now because I was told when I bought it that it was a 17" seat like I'm used to. I only have a handful of pics of me in that saddle, but it looks only a tiny bit better than the ones I posted of the Stubben. And actually, my instructor had once let me borrow her really nice crazy expensive dressage saddle a year ago and I have a picture from that time that shows my legs in almost perfect position, minus my heels being up. So it's looking like I just need a bigger saddle. It's too bad I can't remember what brand of saddle it was that gave me great leg position that one time though. Haha, no like I could afford it anyway.
Chin up. You just learned something about saddle-fit for both your horse and yourself. You also learned that many people who sell saddles don't measure correctly and don't actually know what they're selling. Always bring a tape-measure and measure for yourself, and trust what your bum says when you sit in it (seat size is measured from the button to center of cantle). Educate and trust yourself next time. Since your current saddle is a Stubben, you will be able to re-sell it easily.

I know it's frustrating, but we've all had these moments.

I'm seeing a combination of 3 things:
-1- The saddle does not fit you correctly, and that can be remedied by getting rid of the thing.
-2- Your stirrups are way too shprt for a dressage saddle. That's about the length I use for jumping. Drop the stirrups and let your leg hang from your hip. That's about the length you want in a dressage saddle. The design of a dresage saddle really won't allow you to shorten the stirrups like that. That can be fixed.
-3- You're bracing. Lots and lots of stirrupless work to get you to use and trust your seat instead of getting into an ineffective defensive position. So that can also be fixed.
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I bet that saddle is actually an all purpose saddle. Stubbed made some that were either all purpose/jumper type. Or all purpose/dressage type. Not fully dressage saddle , just somewhat shaped and balanced that way but still retaining a slight hunt seat shape too.

Look at a Crosby. They have a nice lower price dressage saddle that in my experience fits a lot if horses. Second hand maybe $400.
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Dreamcatcher says it best! Your stirrups are much too short. Lower them.

Stand up in the stirrups and let your legs find the balance point-legs too far forward and you won't be able to easily get your rear out of the saddle, legs too far back and you'll fall over the horse's neck. Once your legs are in position where you are balancing easily, sit straight down into the center of the saddle and leave your legs where they were.

Stand up regularly on every ride at the halt, walk and trot to check yourself. Eventually your legs will automatically go to the right position and it won't feel comfortable when they are wrong any more!
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if the balance is off, however, lowering the stirrup and trying to stand up will invariably result in the rider needing to lean way forward in order to even be ABLE to stand. and, very likely, end up putting a lot of forward pressure into the stirrip, so it goes even further forward.

First to consider is if that saddle really DOES fit the hrose. if it isn't too narrow and thus propping up in front. that's task number one. part of that is having it correctly positioned on the back , probably sliding it back a inch or two.


next, consider the fit of the seat and bar position to the rider.

if the saddle fits ok, I'd do more riding without posting. lengthen the stirrups and do more sitting trot work. and, start your saddle search for a saddle that is better suited for YOU.
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