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post #1 of 7 Old 10-22-2019, 05:33 PM Thread Starter
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Advice, Choosing to Trot on a Gaited Horse?

After our practice this Sunday in the round pen, one of my instructors suggested I choose whether I want to focus on getting my mare back into the habit of gaiting under saddle, or if I just want to focus on walk-trot-canter for now. My initial thought was if sheís gaited then letís do that. But I think there are some other pros and cons to consider that Iím not sure whether I fully understand yet and I thought Iíd get some opinions from HF. She can do eitherÖ she has a slower and a faster gait outside the walk-trot-canter range, but she also trots under saddle.

This will probably be a long post, but Iíll try to provide some info here as to why he suggested I focus on one or the other for now and why Iím not really sure what I should decide to do.

First, we donít have any background on how she was previously trained. The woman who owned her before me adopted her from my hometownís animal shelter.

Iím a beginner who started taking easy riding lessons in the Spring with the couple I now board my horse with whoíve provided assistance in tuning up her basic training and helping me learn to ride her (Iíll refer to the husband as ML and the wife as KL.) I started out learning on one of their mustangs and a quarter horse. Initially, we didnít know Dreama (my mare) was gaited. Only after moving her to board her and with ML working with her and riding her did we discover her other gaits.

Iíve solely been riding Dreama for a while now, and with each ride, we get better together but thereís still a lot for me to learn and a lot of experience to gain. Some of my learning has been a bit non-traditional (or maybe I should say, it is a pretty common/traditional way of learning for our area, find someone who can help you out a little and then just practice what you want to do, go out and do it.) My interest is in trail riding so knowing this, after working on some basic safety and practice, my instructors have taken me all around the hills on the back of their property, visited trails at a campground in a national forest area, and ridden what I think was a service-access trail through national forest. But we are lacking any kind of arena type area to practice in; on days when we canít go out for a ride I practice in the round pen on mounting without her walking away, walk/trot transitions, and also asking her to just stop stand with me on her back (being relaxed and still when I ask her to stop is something weíve worked a lot on and has improved tremendously. She and I both are starting to be a lot more relaxed together.) I try to keep the round pen sessions short to avoid making her bored and restless.

She has a slower gait and a faster gait outside of walk-trot-canter. My instructors say that her faster gait is ďrackingĒ but I personally donít know enough about the different kinds of gaits to say whether or not thatís what she does for sure. On her own in the pasture, Iíve only seen her walk-trot-canter. Unlike, for example, my auntís Walking Horse-mix who will display all of her gaits naturally on her own, not just under saddle.

Iíve only managed to get her slower gait correct maybe one time in the round pen, and that time was a really lovely smooth ride, but being a beginner who started learning on trotting horses, I donít know how to correctly ask her to gait every time. When I ask her to move a bit faster on the trails, she typically goes into a trot. I know this is a lack of experience on my part, and ML can certainly teach me, but thatís why he suggested I perhaps choose one or the other to focus on so I'm not confusing myself and not confusing my horse. These are some other things I am considering:

When being ridden by someone who knows how to ask her for her different gaits, she seems to getÖ nervous or excited, hyper? Since we donít know her history we canít be sure, but we think she seems to have originally been trained or ridden by someone who wanted her to be fast and flashy. The more she and I work together the more she seems to relax and realize that ďgo go goĒ isnít always 100% necessary and isnít what Iím asking for. When ML takes up the reins and asks her to gait she gets all hyped up again, and this might not even be a bad thing necessarily, but my goals personally are to keep aiming for her to be more and more relaxed. She will always be a horse with a lot of energy, but the more relaxed we can possibly be together, the better. Over time Iím sure we could achieve this in gaitÖ but again, sheís suffering from an inexperienced rider who is still learning other aspects of riding as well. (Iím sure she probably doesnít care at all that Iím not asking her to gait as long as weíre going.)

We live in a hilly area and most of the trail riding we do will likely not be over smooth land. Most of it will be in forest, with roots, rocks, mud, etc. on the trail and lots of ups and downs, sometimes steep. So most of it is at a walk anyway, but when we do add a bit more speed she naturally chooses a trot and it makes me wonder if she is more comfortable and more sure-footed at the trot rather than gaiting. And Iím not sure what it would be like having to try to keep a horse that wants to trot in gait on the trail.

In the round pen at least, she will trot on a mostly loose rein, and I do like that. The horses I started on were broke to neck-rein and we did everything on a loose rein. I also havenít really properly learned to ride a trot yet, it doesnít make me nervous like it did when I started but itís far from graceful. It makes me wonder, as a beginner, if it might not be better for me to learn to ride a trot well first.

For now, Iíll be mainly riding with people who ride non-gaited horses, although gaited horses are overall more popular in our area. I donít know how much this matters, Iíve just heard people talk about gaited horses quickly outpacing breeds that arenít gaited.

A big Pro, however, is that the time I was able to get her to gait, it was very lovely and smooth and I understand that is one of the biggest reasons a lot of people find gaited horses to be favorable. When she gets excited on the trail and starts to speed up, she does a ďhead bobbingĒ type of motion Iíve seen in certain gaited horses and with that comes a very jarring walk before either slowing back down, or moving on into a trot. I wonder if this will always be the case, or if working on riding her in her slower gait would help smooth this transition?

Ultimately, Iíd like to choose whatís best for her, if there is such a thing in this situation. I donít think I really have a preference at this point. ML made it sound like I could focus on one or the other for now and pick up on more later as my skills improve. Is that true? Or will letting her trot now be bad later if I decide I want to work more on her other gaits?

Gaited horses were bred to do what they do, for a reason. I know that the different gaits are a matter of genetics, but I also wonder, is it possible that walk/trot/canter feels more natural for her since she could be a mixed breed of some gaited and some non-gaited breeds? I also worry that trying to work her in gait will cause some of this progress weíve made on relaxing together to regress but is this an unreasonable worry?

Iíve gleaned some great info from Horse Forum folks already about gaited horses, Iíd love to hear any thoughts or suggestions on this if anyone has any ideas.

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post #2 of 7 Old 10-22-2019, 05:58 PM
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My family moved to gaited horses 3 years ago after only riding stock horses. We ride trails in the state parks in our area. There is very rarely perfectly flat areas to ride - lots of hills, ravines, rocks and roots. Whether you teach your horse to trot or focus on her gait is personal. I will say this a gaited horse taught to trot can be harder to get back to gaiting. Her Head bobbing faster walk is probably her flat walk and her faster gait could be a running walk or a rack. My mare will do a nice running walk but will only rack when really pressed for speed (and we have clocked her at close to 20mph) A gait is a mostly lateral and can be harder for the horse to maintain in a small area. My husband takes weekly lessons as a training barn near us and it took he and his horse about a year to be able to maintain a gait in the arena and it is a fairly large arena. They spent a lot of time reminding his mare not to trot and worked on asking her to gait without her getting anxious. As you have found the gait is really smooth and can be ground covering - Your BO's sounds like great people and are helping you along. I don't think asking Dreama to gait when they trot is too much and y ou may find it saves you headaches in the future.

Also try to look at online trainers as well Ivy Schnexnayder and her group Ivy's Glide Gait on the book of faces. She gives a lot of really great advice and trains her gaited horses and students for a slow relaxed gait.
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post #3 of 7 Old 10-22-2019, 07:25 PM Thread Starter
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Thank you @carshon . I actually never realized... when she does that head bobbing walk, ML has told me multiple times "don't worry, she's not about to run off on you, that's just their walk" ... He wasn't calling it a flat walk but I think that's what he means. I've been to some fun-shows and heard the announcer ask for a flat walk and never actually had any idea what that was. Anything that could save me future headache is definitely welcome

I think they are good people, the best way to describe them I think would be old fashioned in some ways, but not in others. KL does a lot of the ground work on their horses and ML does most of the under saddle training. From what I have observed they seem to try their best to be firm but fair; they treat their children, their horses and myself much the same Encouragement, direction and correction when needed, and go have fun. One of the ways I think they're a bit old-fashioned though, is that ML only rides gaited horses in bits with shanks. I think you and I discussed on another thread, that I'm still in need of changing bits. After finding that she is a lot more comfortable with a solid bit rather than a broken bit, we're still going in a borrowed low-port curb bit but it has shanks on it, because it's the only one in the barn with a solid mouthpiece like that. After some advice, I'd like to switch to something like a kimberwicke that has a similar mouthpiece like she's used to and seems comfortable with, but no shanks. The city closest to me that would be best to go hunting "non-western" tack in is about an hour away, and I keep thinking I'll be able to take the trip soon but haven't yet, so I may end up having to order one online. The only bits I've found in-store in my area with a similar low port curb type mouthpiece ALL have shanks. I've watched ML closely to see how he uses his hands when riding, because after learning more about bits and gaited horses and the myths surrounding them, I was concerned with the shanks. His hands are relaxed and seem gentle and pretty still, so that may be fine for him, but I if I'm going to go the gaited route I feel the need for a different bit for myself.

That could make a difference also. Through a little trial and error we found she was less evasive and more relaxed taking a solid bit; so I am hoping another bit-change without shanks will help her too. At the very least, I don't think it will hurt anything.

I just followed Ivy's page! The first video that came up when I clicked to see videos was about training your horse to stop easily using voice and seat. Seems like a good place for me
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post #4 of 7 Old 10-22-2019, 08:48 PM
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Just to play the devil's advocate - I'm in a similar situation in that I have just taken on a Fox Trotter mare and I was dreading the fact that she wouldn't do a posting trot. Well it turns out she does a beautiful one as well as her fox trot and as far as I'm concerned, as long as she's willing and solid on the trail, I don't care what gait she uses and I'm not going to spend a minute of saddle time arguing with her about it. You will have your own reasons for whichever choice you make but either way you sound like a dedicated horse rider and owner who learns fast. Lucky Dreama!
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post #5 of 7 Old 10-22-2019, 09:23 PM Thread Starter
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@Maddie Lapin I think I saw your post recently trying to make the decision whether or not to take her, I'm glad you decided to keep her and are enjoying her! I remember thinking when I saw your post that we did have a similar situation, except you already had lots of experience riding and knew this horse well.

I've admitted in several posts that I did the thing that I know a beginner should never do and accepted a give-away horse I knew nothing about because Mom liked her (When she was younger, mom did have quite a lot of riding and horse-handling experience but hasn't ridden in many years) and because I wanted a horse and finally had the funds to keep one - but I've found help and I try to get lots of info on HF and so far, despite some misadventures, we're making progress and things are working out. And she's been healthy so far (very lucky draw on that.)

I've always had this feeling that she knows a lot and I'm just feeling my way through understanding everything she already knows.
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post #6 of 7 Old 10-22-2019, 09:46 PM
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My foxtrotter can walk, trot, canter, and gait. She can fast walk, which isn't quite as fast as a running walk in a walking horse, but is faster than a typical walk, she can also foxtrot, and rack.

When given a preference, she prefers to trot. In fact, she didn't want to gait at all when I first got her. It took months of conditioning because she was out of shape and gaiting is work.

If your horse can gait, then I would absolutely work on it.

I prefer a horse that can trot in addition to gaiting.
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post #7 of 7 Old 10-23-2019, 10:13 AM Thread Starter
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@4horses Thank you for your input! I think eventually I'd be able to ask her to do both, she'll do either for ML. It doesn't help that I'm also out of shape, in the way that I'm still working on staying relaxed and balanced and I'm sure that throws her off some too. The advice so far makes me not as nervous about working on her gait.

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