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post #11 of 34 Old 07-25-2019, 11:11 PM
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If I borrow a piece of tack and it breaks while I'm using it, then I'd replace or repair it. Which would depend on a few things. If I borrow something I've obviously decided the item is in working condition, so if something happens to it while I'm using it that's my fault. I generally only borrow bits on schooling headstalls, so a repair or partial replacement may be adequate.

If I borrow a horse ( I used to for specific jobs if all I had were green horses) and it was injured while with me, is probably cover the costs or replace the horse, if the unthinkable happened.

I always pitch in on cost of travel, unless I'm being paid to work. I always make it very clear that costs are either shared or, if I'm working, my travel time and fuel are covered.
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post #12 of 34 Old 07-25-2019, 11:26 PM
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One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet in this thread is the subject of using someone else's horse trailer! I only bring this up for others opinions: when my family borrowed a close friend's trailer to move my horse to where I'm living (9 hours away), we blew one of the tires about 5 hours into the drive. My stepdad was in firm belief that we were not subject to pay to replace it, as the owner of the trailer had stored the trailer on wet ground for as long as we have known her, and let it sit, leading to dry rotted tires. I was in belief that we should at least pay for the tire that blew, as she didn't charge us for use of the trailer, and she was a close family friend. If you borrow a trailer and popped a tire, would you pay for the tire?

Going off of this, what if your horse chews up the inside of the trailer? My BO's gelding has ruined every single padded bar in her new trailer from chewing at the pads (and now he rides in a grazing muzzle!). Would you help pay to fix this?
I don't borrow (or loan) trailers but if I did, and it was a good family friend and they weren't charging me for the use, then the least I could do would be to buy a new tire or, if possible, pay to repair the old one. If I rent a trailer, then no, it's on the rental company to make sure everything is in good working order.

As for chewing up stuff in the trailer, or like my stallion, pawing the mats down off the walls, especially if you're paying for the haul, no it's part of the cost of doing business. I don't find it unreasonable to require a grazing muzzle or soft boots for one that paws.

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Oh, I don't think I'd lend my trailer to anyone. i'm all for helping folks, but that is kind of where I draw the line. I'm very particular about how my stuff is cared for and I would be so worried if someone else had my trailer. If I borrowed someone else's trailer and the tire blew I would probably pay to get the tire fixed. If it was in really bad shape I probably wouldn't have borrowed it in the first place.

I also don't normally let other people ride my horse's. There is one girl that will sometimes ride in the group I tag along with - she doesn't have her own horse so always borrows someones. She loves galloping around a lot when we are on trail rides which makes me really nervous. I have plans to go on a camping trip and I believe this girl is coming along - I have said up front that she won't be riding my horses.

As for broken fence boards - if I was a boarder I would assume it was part of the risk/cost of running a boarding stable. However, if my horse was constantly breaking fence boards (more than a one-off) I don't think it is unreasonable for the boarding stable to charge me.

I guess its all subjective; very interesting to hear everyone's opinions and appreciate everyone weighing in.
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post #14 of 34 Old 07-26-2019, 10:06 AM
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What about if your horse destroys property at a boarding stable? I've run into this a lot. My horses and others will occasionally chew on boards, kick walls, break fences and gates. I've offered to pay for most of these things and have always had the barn owners turn me down. All the barn owners I've known seem to believe horses wearing away barns and fences are part of the cost of operating a barn.

However, all the fences that my horses have broken have been single time accidents rather than patterns. One horse owner at my barn was charged for fencing because her horse broke it down several times a week for awhile, and the barn owner had to add extra creative fencing lines to keep it all intact.

What if you are using a wheelbarrow or manure pick at the barn and it breaks? Should the barn owner replace it or whoever was using it?

Minnie tore down a good stretch of electric fencing, breaking all of the plastic clips along the way. My BO shrugged, and said it was part of the job sometimes. In less than 20 minutes, she had all of the broken clips replaced and the fence re-strung up. Luckily electric fencing is usually an easy fix.

When my family still had our horses in wooden fencing on our property, one of the horses chewed up the top rail like no other. If it were someone else's horse, I would require them to get a cribbing collar, or help replace all of the boards. Over the years that we had them in the wooden fencing, we had four boards come off (two of which weren't even from the horses), with four horses always in the pasture. I think for the most part, any actual broken boards are few and far in-between; usually from horses playing and accidentally kicking the fence, or getting hung up in the fence. I would accept most fencing incidents as my problem if it were on my property.

If a wheelbarrow or manure pick breaks, I think in most cases it is for the BO to replace, as it it provided for use and especially with manure picks, they weaken and break overtime. Now if you were taking the wheelbarrow down the hill for a ride, that is a whole other story...
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This is an interesting discussion. I don’t know if I’d have thought much of it. If, like @COWCHICK77 said, I did something dumb like let a horse step on a rein, I would definitely pay for it. If something was half rotted and broke under normal use I would apologize, but I am not sure if I’d offer to pay for it. I guess I might, and I would if they asked me to, but I really wouldn’t consider it my fault and I might be annoyed if I did pay for it.

I say this probably because I wouldn’t expect someone else to pay for my tack. Even if a friend came over and decided to tie up a horse with my best bridle, I wouldn’t let her pay for it. I guess I would just take responsibility for letting that person use my tack. If they took it away from me though, borrowing it, I would expect to receive it back in the same or better condition. If returned broken or not returned at all I would still take responsibility, but I might not have the same value of said person anymore.

As far as a horse getting hurt... that one is tough! I guess I wouldn’t expect anyone to pay for the horse. Horses have accidents, and one should expect such things. That said, I guess a person should be finicky about who is using their horse, because if you allow someone to take your horse (friend in need of horse, trainer, etc) you had better trust them. It is terrible when a horse comes back in bad shape.

As far as if someone gets hurt, no I wouldn’t offer to pay. Here is where you better trust the person you put on your horse again. I don’t want to be sued, and I don’t know how that would work. I would never put a person on a horse I thought above their skill level, but things do happen I know. Even the gentlest horse can spook. If I knew a person was apt to place the blame on others, or looking for an easy way out of things, I would not let them ride. I probably wouldn’t enjoy them anyways.
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@ClearDonkey I think he should have paid for the tire. Especially if she let him use it for free! His argument was that she had stored the trailer improperly, but she could have replied that he should have inspected the trailer before using it.

@gottatrot I think in theory that you should pay for the damage your horse does to a boarding facility, and most have it in the contract, but in practice most boarding facilities seem to consider a certain amount of damage normal and they aren't going to nickel and dime you over it. I still remember when Pony ate the astrotuf off one of the jumps (classic Pony move) and the barn owner never said anything about it except to laugh.
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If I broke someone else's tack or horse, which they had entrusted to me, I would feel obliged to help in some way. Even if I couldn't afford it (like vet care) I might offer to do something in kind as an apology. It seems courteous. Like if I noticed that someone else's horse had some sort of injury in the pasture, I'd let the barn staff know so it could get taken care of.

As far as people injuries: riding a horse is inherently risky. I will call 911 or drive to hospital as needed. (Since I'm a paramedic, I'm willing to clean up wounds & splint ankles/arms/wrists as well, but you're still going to an ER). If you get hurt doing something foolish and extra dangerous, you'll also get a lecture on why you probably shouldn't do that again (if you're conscious).

(I do totally understand that medical bills are a nightmare for many people and even an ER or urgent care co-pay is out of reach, so if someone really needs to go to the ER I would try to help and pool resources. I am a firm believer in not letting others die because the medical-industrial complex in the US is a cesspool of avarice.)
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What about if your horse destroys property at a boarding stable? I've run into this a lot. My horses and others will occasionally chew on boards, kick walls, break fences and gates. I've offered to pay for most of these things and have always had the barn owners turn me down. All the barn owners I've known seem to believe horses wearing away barns and fences are part of the cost of operating a barn.

At Isabel's first boarding barn, she apparently ate almost a whole top board of a fence separating her from a neighbor in their run-outs. I was mortified and offered to pay, but they wouldn't let me.
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It is an interesting topic and can go in many different directions.

Even something as simple as cleaning up after your horse. It still amazes me to this day how few people actually pick up their horse's poo.
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It is an interesting topic and can go in many different directions.

Even something as simple as cleaning up after your horse. It still amazes me to this day how few people actually pick up their horse's poo.
Not picking up your horses poo drives me CRAZY! I swear, I'm the only boarder at my current barn that will pick up my horses' poo as soon as they do it when tied up. If my BO is tacking up with me and her horse(s) go, I will even do hers just as a common courtesy. I often come out and there are piles of poo and clumps of hair everywhere at the tacking area...clean up after yourself, dang it! I come out to the barn to ride and enjoy my horses, not clean up after other people.
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