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post #11 of 20 Old 02-26-2016, 11:57 AM
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I really do not understand the obsession some of these instructors have with teaching 2 Point to people who are still in the beginner stage
When I was teaching at a BHS riding school in the UK it was something you started learning when you were ready to start riding in extended canter and jumping by which time you'd be fitter and more balanced
My daughter didn't learn two-point until she was ready to start jumping (so about 4 years into lessons, but she was only 10), however, I started doing it almost immediately (same coach).

Personally, I think it was a great way to find my balance quickly. It's hard, of course! I was posting in lesson one, doing down-down-ups and up-up-downs in lesson 2 and sitting the trot without stirrups and posting with only one foot in the stirrup in lesson 3, etc. etc.. Of course I practice 3-4 times a week between lessons. After all that, regular posting is easy as pie! Maybe this particular coach is more demanding or maybe it's because I've ridden most of my life (though without much formal training), but I like being pushed hard. I probably won't ever jump, but it helped me find my balance and post properly (without pushing up with my feet and while keeping my legs where they should be). If you had seen me post before I started lessons and now, you'd see just how radical the change is.
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If it helps strengthen your upper leg then it will help you post without pushing off the stirrup but too many people use the stirrup to push up to get into 2 point because they can't do it any other way
I'd rather see people learn how to use their 'driving' and 'holding' seat and their legs correctly before they start learning 'forward seat'
Plus too many people when learning to jump go at the fence in 2 Point and then go even further forward as the horse takes off so end up lying on the horses neck or ahead of the horses movement
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If it helps strengthen your upper leg then it will help you post without pushing off the stirrup but too many people use the stirrup to push up to get into 2 point because they can't do it any other way
I'd rather see people learn how to use their 'driving' and 'holding' seat and their legs correctly before they start learning 'forward seat'
Plus too many people when learning to jump go at the fence in 2 Point and then go even further forward as the horse takes off so end up lying on the horses neck or ahead of the horses movement
And this ^^^ is why I won't be jumping anytime soon!

I suppose doing a lot of two-point might encourage one to sit too far forward in general.
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It does - and to get a horse together, in control and be able to move it forwards with energy and transition smoothly up and back down and in to halt you need to be able to 'sit up and sit down' to really use your shoulders, back, seat and legs effectively.
2 Point has its place in riding but apart from practicing now and again to keep in tune it should be left where it belongs!!!
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I really do not understand the obsession some of these instructors have with teaching 2 Point to people who are still in the beginner stage
When I was teaching at a BHS riding school in the UK it was something you started learning when you were ready to start riding in extended canter and jumping by which time you'd be fitter and more balanced
I share the confusion, I had less than stellar instruction in the UK, but we did not get to 2 point until we were ready to jump, which means being secure at all paces first.

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I still think riding the two-point at a trot is tremendous for teaching you to find your center of balance and use your core. Not to mention that keeping your legs (including toes, ankle and knees) in the right place the whole time while maintaining the ability to steer the horse makes everything else feel easy! It may not be for everyone, but I'm glad I spent so much time in two-point as it's made me a more secure and balanced rider. I no longer thump down on the horses back when I post and I still have a very good upright posture when not in two-point. Sitting the trot without stirrups helped with that too.
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I really do not understand the obsession some of these instructors have with teaching 2 Point to people who are still in the beginner stage
When I was teaching at a BHS riding school in the UK it was something you started learning when you were ready to start riding in extended canter and jumping by which time you'd be fitter and more balanced
At our family farm, a lesson stable initially, the first lesson was always a private lesson on the lunge. One of the first things we always taught was a two point without hands at the halt. This introduced balance and rider position before learning to post. It is a different approach to what you taught in the UK, but it worked. I can't think of one student of the hundreds that learned to ride at our farm that couldn't post after the first lesson.

This short clip from equestriancoach.com is similar to what we taught.

The First Lesson for a Beginner Rider | Equestrian Coach
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Beginner here, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but to me two point was/is much easier to balance in than any other seat, both in trott and in canter? I'm most probably doing something wrong, again...
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I really do not understand the obsession some of these instructors have with teaching 2 Point to people who are still in the beginner stage
When I was teaching at a BHS riding school in the UK it was something you started learning when you were ready to start riding in extended canter and jumping by which time you'd be fitter and more balanced
To scare kids off, maybe? Lol.

In truth, while I guess two point early helps develop your core and position, I can't even count how many beginners I've seen have their first falls at the two point.

I think I got the same strength from NOT being taught how to post until I'd been riding for a long while . . . English. My instructor thought it was used as a cheat/put you really off balance. I started posting the same time I started cantering, but after I had learned to two point. In fairness the instructor was probably not the best.
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I've posted this video before but will put it up again as its more typical of the way a young child or even a beginner adult would learn at a riding school in the UK - the child is asked to go up out of the saddle from the knee and at this point no emphasis is put on getting the heels down at all because its more important to stabilize the lower leg and get balance
The main difference between this and using a 2 Point position is that the rider isn't encouraged to lean forwards at such an angle which could start a habit of leaning forwards too much in trot

This is an official British Pony Club video showing the stage a rider would be at when using what's still more commonly called either 'jumping position' or 'forward seat' than '2 point'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkgaELE6X6I
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