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post #21 of 53 Old 05-02-2019, 09:44 PM Thread Starter
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What are the advantages of a ported snaffle vs a straight mullen mouth aside from being a little stronger and giving some tongue relief?
This one is pretty much the same mouthpiece as my curb.




So pretty much I have three choices. I can't borrow any bits because I don't know anyone who has these. I can either get a regular mullen mouth eggbutt, a ported d ring, or a d ring with a Billy Allen/Myler mouthpiece. They're all about the same price, somewhere around 30$. Amazon has them and I'd use them because they're easier to return to. I checked the seller (One Stop Equine Shop) and it looked as if returning bits is ok but I'm not sure.

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post #22 of 53 Old 05-02-2019, 09:59 PM
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I am confused. Why donít you just use the curb?

On another note, I think that the rule I follow is that when a horse gets shoes on that day you try and keep them off of gravel or any rocks because they will easily stone bruise if any sole was removed.

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I am confused. Why donít you just use the curb?
Well, multiple reasons. For barrel racing, I like a bit that at least as the swivel shanks if it's a curb. Mine doesn't, so that'd mean another bit anyway. And then for jumper if I do it curbs aren't allowed. Also, I like the closer contact of a snaffle bit and my horse seems to as well. Even then I can still ride on a loose rein.

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post #24 of 53 Old 05-03-2019, 08:49 AM
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I wondered if they were allowed in English disciplines.

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Fot English there's the pelham which can work like a curb but also like a snaffle. Two reins. Confusing. Most people don't jump in it.
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I guess I donít know what Iíd do if I were you then. It would be hard to keep pressing something the horse doesnít like though. I know when I was running barrels, or even now if I do on Bones, although I ride in a curb I put a broken mouthpiece in for running because the bend is better.

Or, if I had a horse that liked a broken mouthpiece better, which I have had but not show horses, I would get them comfortable in a curb and only use it in a show pen after that.

I know a lot of people think that anything with a shank is not nice, but I donít believe that unless you wanted to constantly ride with contact. It can be a gentler bit. In any case, I want to do what best benefits the horse and the training I am doing. (It goes without saying I wouldnít put a horse in a bit it wasnít prepared for.)

Like tennis shoes... I canít stand wearing tennis shoes unless I am on a basketball court where they are necessary. They make my feet hurt and are too hot and heavy and I just hate them and almost feel claustrophobic in them. Most people would say tennis shoes are the best.

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Actually... the pelham bit is the bit everyone jumped in years ago.
Few used simple snaffle bits.
Children, lead-line child riders rode handling 2 reins.
Hunter classes horses rode in pelhams...
Appointed classes the bridles were sewn in bits, headstall and reins...there were no buckles for adjusting, bridles were "fitted".

It is today when fad has taken over that you see fad bits...and bridle pieces.
3-ring gags, a this or that bit, weird crazy configurations of nosebands, headstalls that are to difficult to describe all with claims of comfort to the horse is made to separate $$ from your pocket.
I could open my ex-bosses bit box and show you things that would curl straight hair...all used and made for particular reasons...none of which to the unsuspecting eye look anything more than a simple single joint bit till you peer inside the mouth or drop the bit for inspection..
Even some of those innocent are not innocent bits to knowledgeable eyes.

Yes, a pelham would work and you are not supposed to ride off the curb rein either but have that to finesse a communication given and shared.
They make the exact mouthpiece you mention the horse enjoys riding with...

Look at polo bits...see it in many stores, catalog and online described as a polo bit.. https://www.statelinetack.com/item/k...bit/SLT900241/
Just remember the shorter the shank the less leverage applied when that rein is activated and the less purchase, the loop the headstall connects/hangs from, the closer that loop is to the actual barrel mouthpiece the less leverage is...
Combine shank length and purchase height and a innocent looking bit is far from innocent in any style of riding discipline..
The curb rein in English work to lighten the horse and offer extra communication to the horse in understanding...no different than a western trained horse actually.
Hence a true snaffle bit is headstall, rein and bit barrel mouthpiece all using the same ring for attaching "stuff" to.
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post #28 of 53 Old 05-04-2019, 01:53 AM Thread Starter
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Trainer keeps telling me I need a strong bit if I'm going to run barrels....I mean yeah I wouldn't run in a halter but nobody says I can't if my horse is trained to do so. I kind of like the looks of this one https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....1-WQwefL0L.jpg ...similar mouth to mine but the sides swivel.
That's a thing I like about curbs. They're not harsh if you use them right. I do want to try the ported D ring.
Not a fan of gags. My gelding HATES them. When he was younger I tried to jump him in one...didn't work out so great.
For some reason I feel unsure about using ported bits though. I mean you find what the horse likes and ride with it but I feel I should be able to have her 100% responsive in halter, sidepull, and snaffle with no flaws whatsoever before putting anything "bigger" in her mouth? I guess that's true...how harsh exactly would the ported D be compared to a mullen mouth D? I don't like feeling like I just made a temporary fix by "bitting up".

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So...my gf runs her horses in a single joint snaffle or a 3-piece bit...
If correctly trained, you aren't hauling the face, neck and head around but the horse is working off of your legs and seat pressure with minimal rein pressure used...
The very best in the womens pro barrel racing...watch them closely.
They aren't hauling on the face, not at all...
They may pick the spot to make the dig and turn on but that refining communication is all of what they use the bit for...they ride off of seat, butt and legs!

Your trainer is looking for you to do shortcuts...
Yea, they work at slow speed runs but when it is time to get down and dirty and put the real pressure and turn the afterburners on...the horse with holes in training falls apart and it shows with the horrible looking pictures of inverted, wide-eyed, mouth barred open and hauled on face...
Watch the videos of those who win and win consistently how they ride their horse and with what equipment...
A bit is still only as harsh as the rider makes it...
Many do use a piece of twisted wire...but they don't touch the mouth...
Some of those barrel combo bits are horrible to see hanging...but you must see the person holding the rein in action to see what is truly involved.
But to "bit up" to skim over holes in training...no, just don't do that to you or your horse.
If this is the best your trainer can offer...find a new trainer!!

If beau has not seen this thread...bring it to her attention..
She barrel races, trains her own horses and has pleasant results.
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post #30 of 53 Old 05-04-2019, 03:09 PM Thread Starter
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It's kind of making me want to barrel race in a halter and win just to prove a point. Like really...we went to a rodeo last night and God almighty this one girl came in on a wild eyed bucking paint and she was YANKING on that horse's mouth. With a very heavy bit too. I hate barrel racing bits! A lot of them anyway. I feel like the low levels is a bunch of half-wild horses and half-crazy riders. I mean my mare will not run if she's got a really heavy bit on. She just won't. She's still mad about the people before me hauling on her face i guess.

There is a bit of a reason the animal hippies pick on barrel racers. Some are crazy.

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