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post #41 of 53 Old 05-07-2019, 08:03 PM Thread Starter
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I think she doesn't understand the chain. There are no signs of actual pain caused from the chain so she probably just doesn't get it. The "sizepull" had a rope nose and the curb strap was one with a chain. That's not entirely why but I think she's worse with a chain vs a leather strap.

I know it's not an excuse for her to run through. There's no excuse for her running off like that. I was in a smaller field and normally I wouldn't fall off if she took off like that. Normally when she gets pushy we circle down to go slower or I just make her run till she decides that's not going to get her anywhere. I don't put up with her mess. I didn't get off when I almost fell, I got up and we loped big circles.

Before I had her she'd try to buffalo people into doing what she wanted. She was being ridden in a hackamore combo gag bit and not because she liked it. It was only because the rider was scared to death of horses and didn't like that Tess was too fast. So she sawed on her mouth all the time and that just made Tess frustrated as you can imagine. There's a reason she's got some issues.

No racing is in the near future. The event season is slowing down for the summer anyhow. I'll soon have access to a round pen (Juneish) so we can do some extremely controlled work. She can't go anywhere in a round pen. Time to watch some Warwick Schiller vidoes....

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post #42 of 53 Old 05-08-2019, 09:28 AM
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A D ring has leverage, and there are ones with a port so it has tongue relief. If I do some further experiments and find she likes the port better than mullen, and a D is legal for English. I feel like I have better communication with a shorter shank or no shank at all.
Huh? A D ring has no leverage unless you are talking about one with slots. Slots aren't legal in some English disciplines. You'd also need to check the rulebook on ports.
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post #43 of 53 Old 05-08-2019, 11:04 AM Thread Starter
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A D ring has some leverage, just a little bit. When the reins tighten the D rotates instead of just plain pulling.

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post #44 of 53 Old 05-09-2019, 11:55 AM
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Normally when she gets pushy we circle down to go slower or I just make her run till she decides that's not going to get her anywhere.

I caution you on the second part. For some horses, making them run until they don't want to anymore can really backfire and make the problem worse. In your situation with a horse that does not stop well, I personally would not be doing that.



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I'll soon have access to a round pen (Juneish) so we can do some extremely controlled work. She can't go anywhere in a round pen. Time to watch some Warwick Schiller vidoes....

Why wait until June? There's no reason you can't work on her riding or ground work issues little by little, with the surroundings you have. No round pen necessary!



Correct "round penning" is NOT to allow the horse to run around loose like a nut. I person to have them on a line anyway to work on their body control, which is why you can easily work on body control and ground work without a round pen. If all you have is the middle of the yard by the barn, great! Use that. Fences are helpful but they are NOT necessary. You can make do with whatever you have.
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Oh of course, I am working on ground work. Whenever there's an issue I work from the ground up. And I'm not waiting till June to work, I'm just waiting till June to do some no-rein ground work. Providing she doesn't run around and be crazy. If she does we won't work without a rein. But I worked in a makeshift round pen (until out cows broke it) and she benefited a lot from it. With no rein. I just want a contained area to work on more liberty type things. And no, she's not so explosive that she can't learn a couple voice commands and work without tack in a round pen. She can lunge though.

And I don't really run her till she won't run anymore. I tried this years ago and it did. Not. Work. If she begins to actually take off then we slow and go back the the next slowest gait. Not running her into the ground, just easy work. I couldn't run her till she was tired even if I wanted to. She's got way more energy than I do.

Also good news, the truck is fixed. We should be able to get it this weekend and if that's the case I'll call the vet to get a dentist appointment for Tess. It's gonna be an expensive trip. She needs teeth and a coggins and Jay might need to come get a shot for his allergies.

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post #46 of 53 Old 05-09-2019, 10:33 PM
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A D ring has some leverage, just a little bit. When the reins tighten the D rotates instead of just plain pulling.

There needs to be a purchase and lever for there to be leverage. The reins are free on a D ring so they will move to be even with the mouth piece, the rings don't move..
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post #47 of 53 Old 05-19-2019, 06:35 PM Thread Starter
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We got her teeth done. I waited a few days to make sure she wasn't sore then tried in a mullen mouth eggbutt. That rubbed her inner cheek less than the broken mouthpiece but I checked today and there is bruising all along the inside of her lips and her tongue. Maybe the bit was too thick, idk. So that's out. I've got a rubber type bit arriving tomorrow and I'm going to try that once she's completely healed. She did like the straight mouth better than the broken though, so there's that.

I might try that ported D. The mouth looks thinner than the eggbutt I tried. She's just not advanced enough to ride in the curb yet.

She's not hard mouthed, she's hard headed. Her mouth is apparently really sensitive.
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post #48 of 53 Old 05-21-2019, 10:52 AM Thread Starter
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Here's a pic of her mouth from a few days ago. (Attatched below) This is always where the bruising is. UGH.

And...this may be a wild stab in the dark, but i wonder if something like a waterford mouthpiece would work for her? She does lean on the bit and maybe that's part of the bruising issue, with a waterford it's kinda hard to lean because they can't grab at it and go as easily. I've ridden her in a war bridle type thing (just a rope in her mouth) and she didn't lean. People say a waterford is a good loose rein bit. I don't know much about them. Some people say they're "harsh" but I think that's more of a hands issue.

Just to be sure I'm not talking about a chain bit. Noooo siree. I mean the one with the little round metal "beads". Some people call those waterfords but they're not lol.
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post #49 of 53 Old 05-21-2019, 08:24 PM Thread Starter
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Where the bruising is, her inner lip is getting pinched between the bit and her teeth. It's not because the bit is too small, I've checked that. It doesn't do it in the curb but I'm thinking that's because of how the bit attaches to the bridle and how the bit doesn't pull back against her cheeks like a snaffle does. So uh, is there a snaffle that doesn't pull her lips into her teeth?

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post #50 of 53 Old 05-23-2019, 05:28 AM
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That's tricky because the concept of a snaffle is that it pulls back toward the teeth, so if a horse has loose/thick lips that can definitely happen.

Possibly a kineton noseband adjusted right could prevent the bit from being pulled back far enough and would transfer the pressure to the nose instead.

I'd still suggest a kimberwicke which as a very mild curb rotates rather than pulls back, and yet can also be used for direct reining and used as a snaffle.

My guess is that a Waterford would be worse for the loose lip issue, since it has more movement in the mouth.
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