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post #31 of 143 Old 01-06-2020, 04:01 AM
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This is NOT the case with highest animal species: the most intelligent ones with meat in their diets but having a "queen bee" in the group is for the inferior plant-only eaters.

The male sex is king among the wolf, the primates (man, gorilla, baboon), the lion, the tiger, the leopard, the cougar, the bear and the fox. An alpha male leads a wolf pack on a hunt. A number of lionesses surround a maned king in a lion pride. This is true for apex predators, those at the top of the food chain. Man is the top apex predator and ruler of this world: the King of the Animal Kingdom and of all living things.
This absolutely strengthens my argument over the female ruling without the male realising it!

It might well be that the male of carnivores goes around showing off his superior strength and size but, it is the lioness that decides when they are going to hunt, and the females that make the kill generally speaking. The male then moves in with his domination of strength and eats the best bits.

Much the same with primates. The females allow the top male to appear he is the boss but they know otherwise!
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It's OK for a man or boy to show love for his dog. Even so, the dog will often be expected to be well-trained and mind his master to the T. Many guys have little patience or tolerance for ill-behaved dogs. I like cats: only if they are good mousers and ratters as for being kept out in the barn.
Ha, I'm female and I can't stand when dogs are out of control. But, I don't think that I hate that because I can't control them, I hate it because I don't want to see them get hurt. I guess that's where the girl thing comes in. lol
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Western culture generally doesn't depict women's being behind the plow in entertainment, art and literature.

Agriculture, as opposed to transhumance/long-range livestock herding and hunter-gatherer societies, is more favorable to women, though, because of its domestic nature. Women like to nest as men like to roam.
Just keep in mind, there's a helluva LOT of western culture fiction gets entirely wrong... which... I guess is par for the course since it's... well. Complete Fiction.

In defense of the umbrella point you're making though: At least in Oklahoma and Texas, from my own observations and those of my husband - Women did NOT haul horses and camp with horses, and haul them around for riding in such great numbers as are seen now... unless they were rodeo competitors. Barrel Racers and Mom's hauling kids to playdays and Granmas hauling grandbabies to play days has always been a thing too - but NOT in as great of numbers as we see now.

That said: At a ranch rodeo or rodeo-rodeo, you will see an ish ton more men there on horses than women, but that's changing. I'm seeing more female ropers and bulldoggers than I have in the past, there's more at every rodeo I go to, and there's more girls at the junior levels than ever before - and they're roping, pole bending, barrel racing, etc.

I can also relate a story from about a month ago. I haul solo to go camp with the horses. I meet other women there, wherever there is. On my way to a new place we'd never been, I stopped at the intersection of two Oklahoma highways. There was a very senior gentleman in a 1 ton feed truck that went by - I had to wait on him to pull out. He was hanging a HUGE THUMBS UP out the window, and the the biggest grin split his leather, tanned face. I waved and gave him a thumbs up back. I was telling T about it and she was just cackling. Her 9 year old daughter asked why he did that, and why it was funny.

T explained she was guessing, as was I, that back in his day, the majority of women didn't haul their own horses or do as much with horses without men there with them, that times are changing and women are becoming the majority of horsemen now, we're not content to wait around on our men to help us haul and go camping, and the gentleman that waved was maybe showing his enthusiastic support for a woman, hauling horses solo, on the backways of Oklahoma.



My husband and I, both born in the 70s, have talked about this as well. Until the last 10 years, we cannot recall seeing as many women, hauling solo, going to rodeos solo, or going trailriding with other groups of solo hauling women. You just didn't see women, without men doing the hauling/driving, or being present until the last ten years... with the exception of barrel racers, moms & granmas hauling kids to playdays and youth rodeos.


Now, let's go further back. Way back. Horse and Buggy days - women did pretty much everything men do. Why? Because the survival of the family absolutely depended on it. There wasn't room on the American Frontier for a whole of lot of Male Roles and Female Roles. There wasn't as much of it even in the 20s and 30s... at least not to the extent written fiction and Hollywood would have you believe. That's more of a 1950s and 1960s portrayal (Think Gunsmoke, Rawhide, John Wayne movies). Women were the damsels in distress (True Grit being an exception), the rancher's wives, the farmer's wives, the church going righteous and pure sorts relegated to washing laundry and cooking.

In truth, they were often in charge of home defense, taking care of the livestock, plowing, driving the buggy teams, and many other horse or cattle related chores necessary for the survival and well being of the family.

Caveat:I'm talking about pioneer women and those who came west seeking the more liberal mindset of the American Old West. The idea that women in the old west were to be guarded and treated like wilting flowers and that they didn't do 'man jobs' especially with equines, is a myth.

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The Laura Ingalls Wilder books offer a sanitized but reasonably accurate look at life then. Pioneer Girl: The Annotated Autobiography covers things with more reality.

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As someone is in a grey area concerning gender, there's a lot of things said in this thread that are beyond dated, tribal/ animalistic thinking. We are an intelligent species able to break through typical roles seen rigidly in other animals. All to say things are not black and white and are different depending on geography (also in general).
We can debate this till we're old. So i'll not comment on those parts.

Anyway, in my experience females do not dominate the horse world but you're most likely to encounter them at show barns and typically english riding disciplines.

Somewhat related.. As far as greater access to horses..idk they're still a luxury and out of reach for most to even think about continuous lessons. Especially where I live, it's very ripe with show barns.

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...From my hike with my youngest [daughter] on 1 January in Saguaro National Park (East) - the Rincon Mountains:


First time I remember seeing flowing water there, so I guess all the rain is having an effect. We parked just off the road, walked back to the trailhead, then went on a trail we had never been on. Rocky but it got us here:




We pretty much had things to ourselves once we were over 1/4 mile from pavement. But while we were enjoying the stream, a lady rode up. Solo. Based on the old women in our church, I'd guess her age in the upper 70s. She explained she couldn't find anyone to ride with but that her horse was a little nervous.

I admitted Bandit had just been getting good at going out alone when life interfered and that I expected to start him all over again.

"Oh yes" she said. "I restart this fellow about twice a year. He's gaited, and when he gets nervous, he gaits. So I tell him 'This gaiting is fun! We can do this all day!' Then he decides it is too much work, so I tell him, 'Walking saves energy. You must be very smart!' Then he gets nervous, starts gaiting, and I tell him, 'Oh, this is SO much fun! How long shall we do it?' But yes, I'll just get him really good going out alone and then...life...gets in the way of my riding. Bummer!"

We talked horses for a while, of course. I admire the heck out of her. Late 70s [My best guess]. Alone. Somewhat nervous horse. Lots of rocks. Out away from where anyone could find her. But happy to be out with her horse and not willing to stay in the arena where her friends feel safe to ride...That is the kind of rider I hope to become!...
This 60+ male sees no value in male versus female & riding or much of anything else. I suppose we could debate mare vs gelding. I prefer mares but admire my gelding so...

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I thought it would be interesting to have a thread as to why American men and boys don't care much for horses anymore. I've heard guys say they hated horses and others say they make good dog food. It seems as the lust for GALLONS (of fossil fuels burned for vehicle use) has largely displaced the GALLOP (pun intended) in terms of the sheer lack of 21st century male enthusiasm for equines. Some men have told me horses are dangerous because one can lose control of them should they spook. Motor vehicles never spook. One guy told me he loved HORSEPOWER, not HORSES.
Odd generalization since certain areas of the equine world are dominated by men who have dedicated their lives to the love of horses.
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Odd generalization since certain areas of the equine world are dominated by men who have dedicated their lives to the love of horses.

On consideration... IDK about out in Lawton OK, but here in Atoka, OK, there's just as many men who ride and ride almost daily, as women. The thing is, that's their JOB. They ranch rodeo and do pasture 'ropings' and small invitation only ropings on private property for fun.


They aren't highly visible to the untrained eye. But they're out there and in greater numbers than I think OP realizes, which is odd, since OP IS from Oklahoma.
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They aren't highly visible to the untrained eye. But they're out there and in greater numbers than I think OP realizes, which is odd, since OP IS from Oklahoma.
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