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post #41 of 85 Old 04-09-2019, 10:51 PM
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First of all, if your horse is stepping on you during ground work, you two are too close to each other. You might want to start working on getting your hrose to move off, away from you, and to go right / left/back up, etc, without coming closer than 3 or 4 feet, at most.


Secondly, regarding steel toed shoes . . . . I've heard some horsepeople say NO to them, because if the hrose steps on you, it 'pinches' the steel down on your toe, and then you get hurt bad, and can't get your foot out.


I have no idea if this is true. I wear NON-steal toe boots, to ride and do any kind of barn/groundwork. But, I'd be interested to hear the opinion on steel toed boots for working/riding horses.
This is what I was told and it's especially true with cattle since they weigh about 1900 lbs and up.
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First of all, if your horse is stepping on you during ground work, you two are too close to each other. You might want to start working on getting your hrose to move off, away from you, and to go right / left/back up, etc, without coming closer than 3 or 4 feet, at most.
That's why she hasn't stepped on me so much lately. She came to us after living with goats for a year and never being asked to do anything, so there was a lot of work to be done about "manners" on the ground. I have finally gotten to the point where I understand a bit more about how to tell her... "No, you're not allowed to crowd me and walk on me. Get off me and walk over here instead." Or, "You're way too close to me and not paying attention so now I want you to back up." After being corrected several times consistently she caught on really fast. She's known all this at some point, I just didn't know how to ask for it starting out. We are to the point now that when we are inside the fence with tack on, she'll walk at my shoulder about an arm's distance away without a lead. Usually. We still have our slip ups but are doing much better lol.

I think with steel toes and horses the same principles apply as any other reason to wear steel toes. For example in most factories you must wear steel toe protection. However, if something heavy enough falls or rolls on your foot you still risk having the toe bent in. 9 times out of 10 it will protect you, but there is always a situation that it could make worse. Although with horses, I don't know if the action or angle behind the force coming down on your foot might make the steel toe more likely to bend in. I've also read about shoes with protection across the top of the foot but I've never seen any in stores. I'd prettymuch decided against steel toed boots anyway since I don't want to spend the money on two more pair of shoes and I haven't been stepped on so much lately

I know this started off as a thread about leg position and stirrup length on the trail, but since we've meandered into the topic of shoes:

While looking up what a roping style boot was, I stumbled across these: https://www.ariat.com/SCOUT_ZIP_W_FO...OO_color=BLACK

They're not the western style boot I envisioned myself eventually purchasing but I like the look of them and could see myself wearing the heck out of them as an everyday shoe besides riding. I had a pair of Ariat boots once and remember how comfortable they were. Would there be a safety or other reason to now choose a boot like this? (Or any brands to avoid based on them wearing out quicklyl?)
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I have been told that steel toed boots are much safer than they were years ago. They take much more force before crushing. I don't actually wear them; I'm just relaying information that I was told by someone in industrial management.
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The boots look ok to me. I have never used Ariats, so I have no personal experience. The pair I am riding in now were made by Justin. I think that Justin makes some boots that are extremely good and some that are lower end.
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Steel toe boots ARE safer: https://memicsafety.typepad.com/memi...ly-safer-.html

I don't worry. My horses are barefoot, good-natured and not likely to step with much force on my foot. I wear boots with good leather. My favorites are Red Wing. $200 a pair, but I still have and sometimes use the pair I bought in 1990. I'm pretty sure I'll die before I wear out my second pair (brown, not black). I also use them for yard work and sometimes hiking...a rattlesnake would have a tough time biting thru them. But I know what I like in a boot.

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@Celeste @bsms Thanks for the input. The description of the shoe I linked says it's for riding but... you know how that goes. Sometimes company claims just don't hold up in the real world. And sometimes a shoe that's really comfy on the inside just doesn't hold up to the wear and tear over time. I'll probably read a lot of reviews and do a lot of looking around before I settle on a pair. The ones I'm using now are safe enough I think, so I'm not in a huge rush but I'd like a different pair eventually.

I do like the look of the Red Wing as well, and a shoe that holds up over time and is multi-functional is really important to me. The most expensive pair of boots I own is in a similar price range. They are handmade and have an interesting cord and button closure up the side. Bought them at a Ren Fair (shows what kind of geek I really am.) I polish them up and wear them as a stylistic choice but I also frequently wear them in the Kentucky winter to shed the water and mud and they've held up nicely. Sadly, they don't have a heel and again have more tread than I'd like for riding.

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@bsms Who sells those? Can you give me an online link?

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I have been told that steel toed boots are much safer than they were years ago. They take much more force before crushing. I don't actually wear them; I'm just relaying information that I was told by someone in industrial management.

In light of this angle of the conversation, I asked my daughter, who is in her last two semesters of her safety degree and in her early stages of getting her OSHA certs, what the OSHA standard/opnion was - will modern steel toes withstand the force of a horse hoof or even a cow hoof without pinching your toes off or trapping them in the toe box.

Answer: Yes. They are made to withstand the force of bulldozer treads, steel pipe loads, tractors and other assorted heavy equipment.


However, went on to say this:


After so much use and abuse yes eventually they would collapse.


So sounds like you'd want to keep your steel toed boots in good condition and replace often enough you don't get smashed.


Interesting.

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So sounds like you'd want to keep your steel toed boots in good condition and replace often enough you don't get smashed.

Interesting.
That is interesting, but makes sense. Similarly to how you are supposed to replace a riding helmet every so many years, or any time you've taken a fall that results in impact to the helmet. (Different kind of construction and a different function, but still a safety device.) The factory my mom retired from, and a different factory my boyfriend works at now, both have programs where they either give the employees a certain amount of money or refund them a certain amount on the purchase of new steel-toe boots. I always thought it was just an "extra bonus", but it could be part of a safety program to encourage employees to replace their old equipment.

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@bsms Who sells those? Can you give me an online link?
I think they mostly limit sales to their dealers. I just looked and I guess they don't make cowboy boots for women:

Men's 1155 NailSeat 11-inch Pull-On Boot | Red Wing Work Boots

Looking at Tony Lama...looks like women don't get as much selection in hard core work boots. Ariat seems to have some decent designs for women. I would have thought there would be a good market for good, practical and durable work boots for both sexes, but...

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