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post #21 of 26 Old 02-06-2019, 06:17 PM
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So... I read most of the responses and most of your replies...
I'm sorry you have had a bad go of it...sometimes it is very difficult, the horseworld.
My knowledge is limited but some things I have learned with riding friends Paso's are...
They thrive and search for a firm hold of their mouth so they can lean on you, gait or push forward against you.
They also work super well in a hakima...it is the Paso special bridle near all Paso's are taught to ride with.
Hakima is a hackamore style bridle...but it is also very different than what most think of when the word bitless or hackamore is mentioned...
Paso's do ride with bits...the mouth cavity though on the ones I had contact with is small and tight so a broken mouth bit might not be the best. They get poked in the roof and it hurts...
Many are happier in a straight bar, low port or fixed mouth...the best are ridden in a spade bit only a true professional highly trained rider have the horse dancing...no pain just training at work.
I know when I ride a anxious Paso I throw them away...literally work on the loosest rein I can...
The horse is suddenly unsure and slows down, starts to listen to and look for that contact...and I won't increase pressure and the run-away is done...
You have to have nerves and be ready to ride it out if they bolt...but it might confuse your horse enough he just stops his nonsense...
That is just a idea I had and know dropping them worked in a few that I've sat on who played this same game or tried to with me...


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I never accused or said anyone was being judgmental. I was stating that I am tired of the judgement from the barns that we have been to, and was stating that it is difficult to fully understand a situation based off of what I am typing.

I appreciate everyone's time and input. But I am exhausted by catty barns and trainers.

I thought you meant those replying to your thread were being judgmental.
My apologies.

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A lot of horse lovers on here are quick to judge when they are only basing their opinion off a typed message (which can be interpreted in various ways) and not a visual.
Anyhow, like any horse they can out muscle us. It is up to us figure out how to get in their head rather than trying to out muscle them.
He is obviously an intelligent one. I seriously doubt loping it out of him is going to do anything. His mind isn't on you and what you are doing if he is screaming at cars and worried about other things. He is looking for a reason.
I'm guessing your previous trainer had close to same problem as the mention of him " constantly outsmarting" his bits but it might have manifested in a different way.
He found a way to get to you.

What do you do once he reaches your husband? What does your husband do?
If you give him any type of release whether you realize it or not because you're just glad he stopped running off with you, you may be rewarding the behavior and he got out of him doing whatever you were asking of him when he pulled his out of your hands.

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Well he screams at vehicles because the mailman will bring him treats on his lunch break.. This is not an every day occasion, but I am sure it is part of the issue. His hollering causes even more people to stop by and give him attention. He has pasture buddies, so I am not sure why is attention would be to the people. Other than the treat factor.

He was good with the trainer when I was not there, but when there he would only respond to my voice and would begin to give the trainer a test.. which in turn would make her tell me to step off to the side of the barn or pasture where I would be out of sight.

I lunged him yesterday and he was very responsive.

I dont allow him to approach my husband when he acts like this, but in the past I have let him greet my husband when he arrives. My husband will just scratch his ears.. I felt as though that was going to be an issue a while back and began to nip that in the butt. But I feel as though the running is something different, I feel as though he take the canter and assumes he can gallop. He will throw out his back end (almost 100% of the time) when I ask for the canter. The gallop leaves no room for him to act silly like that. But that doesnt explain why he is ignoring my command to slow, he will push against my commmand to brake (including a side reign pull - just to divert him). I am going to try to get a video today (if this occurs again). But I am hoping that with more ground work, and less trail rides, bending and a few other exercises may help nip this habit before it begins to set in.

Will let everyone know how he does today.

Also he does not like curb bits, he strongly dislikes it even sitting in his mouth. Which is why I use a snaffle type bit... I know most pasos dont use that type of bit, but he responds the best to it thus far..

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What do you do once he reaches your husband? What does your husband do?
If you give him any type of release whether you realize it or not because you're just glad he stopped running off with you, you may be rewarding the behavior and he got out of him doing whatever you were asking of him when he pulled his out of your hands.

^ I agree.




Him looking for your husband and screaming for him I think is not ABOUT your husband, per se. It's about him leaving you! He gets some kind of reward for suddenly going to your husband, even if you actually don't let him go. I think what he gets is the cessation of whatever thing you were asking of him before his attention rocketed over onto the arriving other human being.


We often reward horses in ways that we are totally unaware of. The simple 'pause' in our working with a horse that happens when we stop the ground work long enough to recognize and greet a person coming up to the fence is, to the horse, a reward. Work stopped. and, it stopped when another outside person arrived. The smart horse made a mental link between those two that he will not forget.


And, in the case of a horse that is anxious, and is looking for something, 'out there' to make him feel better, he is so predisposed for something to come that it takes almost nothing for him to leave you and go to that thing, and your pause in your work with him, even if you could not help but pause, was his reward.


If you have a round pen, or a smaller arena, start work with him and when your husband comes up, ignore the husband, and try to not pause even one bit. In fact, if the horse starts to call and put a lot of focus on the husband, I'd start making enough commotion that it makes your horse let go of that thought and turn back to see what all the fuss is about. when he does, immediately stop your noise/commotion so that he knows that all he has to do to make this annoying noise cease is to look at you.


You do this over and over, being very careful to turn it on when he leaves you, off when he looks at you. Eventually, he will realize that being with you is better than not . Then, I'd go up and pet him, and put him away.


for 'commotion' you can use a flag that you flap around, or slapping your thigh noisily, or smacking the dirt with a lunge whip, kicking sand (not AT him! just sideways) . Anything that will startle and annoy him. Just make sure you are not directly threatening him. So, don't flap the falg AT him, as if you are driving him. flap it off to the side, to draw his attention.
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If you are pulling with both reins to stop or correct him this is most likely were you are going wrong. It sounds like he is attempting to avoid the bit and once a horse learns this they can run through the bit pressure. This can be common with horses like race horses that are ridden consistently with a lot of bit contact. Riding with constant bit contact is like driving your car with your foot on the brake. Eventually the brakes wear out. The best method to control his speed or keep him from running off is to redirect his feet. By this I mean if he attempts to go into the canter instead of you pulling back on the reins, lift one rein and bring him into a tight circle to slow him down. Keep him working in tight circular or figure 8 patterns until he calms down. Then continue in the direction you originally intended to go on a loose rein. If he speeds up repeat the patterns. Alternatively you could use a one rein stop if he really gets out of control.

Do you typically ride this horse on a loose rein or with contact?
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I think you are on point 'Hackamore' as I felt his behavior was similar to those that race on the track.. I give him as much rein as possible. Since he began to push through the bit I have been doing ground work and walk/trot work on back with the constant change of direction to help slow his roll. He doesnt like it as he will pound his foot when given a command. But I think with persistency we can nip this in the butt before it becomes a habit.

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