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post #1 of 5 Old 02-21-2020, 07:54 PM Thread Starter
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Another Flip Saddle Glo Up.

picked up a 14" Courts barrel saddle last weekend. The fleece is GONE. I mean... more gone than gone. All that's left is the backing and it was indeed synthetic. Oddly, the leather was in great shape, just dry and the dirt dobbers had made it a castle for a while. I honestly don't know that it's even broken in, its in such good shape... except the fleece. SN# tells me it's a 98 model. All the conchos are there and they're actually silver plate, not cheap stainless or whatever they make them out of these days. It goes to the saddle shop next Friday for new fleece.

Kinda had a sad story - woman's horse died and after he was gone, she just didn't have the heart to get another horse, gave up riding, left it in the garage. It came fully rigged, with a headstall, 8ft split reins, bit, stand, and two older Mayatex ramrod pattern saddle blankets.

I have no idea who the maker is on the bit - it's a chain bit, but a gag bit/barrel racing bit. Has VV stamped on the shanks.
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post #2 of 5 Old 02-21-2020, 08:11 PM
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Do you have Pics of the bridle?

Out with the boys.....
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post #3 of 5 Old 02-21-2020, 09:02 PM
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That's beautiful! I've never seen that diamond type basket weave pattern before.

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post #4 of 5 Old 02-22-2020, 09:16 AM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by Thundering Hooves View Post
Do you have Pics of the bridle?
I don't right now but can get some later today. It may actually be dry rotted... IDK. It's pretty darn stiff, feels brittle. I've not messed with it much because I didn't want it to crack. Gonna hang it up and clean and oil it today. It's a simple headstall with a braided brow band. I can also get pix of the bit and shanks with the makers mark if anyone thinks they can identify the maker.

Originally Posted by trailhorserider View Post
That's beautiful! I've never seen that diamond type basket weave pattern before.
I've seen one or two in the last four years or so. I don't usually see a Courts barrel saddle that's NOT a Camarillo saddle, and the resale on the non-Camarillo Courts saddles is all over the map - but it appears the lower end ones are the round skirt, mostly rough-out, not a lot of tooling type saddles. And most have a shredded horn wrap. This one is perfect... shows maybe... IDK 10% wear on the very edge? The look to have cheap conchos, tooling isn't as nice, etc. Then you have the square skirt ones like mine with a lot of tooling. Those are... a tidy penny in good shape, so I've got high hopes for this one.

Also - Stirrup leathers are a beefy 3" but are 'necked down' to a 2.5" up at the top where they're ran through the tree. I assume it was done because there wouldn't be room to run a wider leather through the tree, and also the thicker leather down low would hold up better to stretching and pulling going into turns - you see a lot of barrel saddles with one stirrup leather that's stretched and damaged, and the fender will start to tear at stress points from the turns. This one is perfect. Even the leather that covers the blevins buckles is perfect. Usually the cover is torn off or dry rotted and flapping around loose on one side.

If I understand correctly, the last owner trail rode in this one which would explain the lack of wear and tear typical to a barrel saddle that's been used in the manner for which it was intended. She was finally ready to 'let go' of it and I happened to get lucky and see it for sale.

It was her son in law who met me to deliver it... he explained no one else in the family did anything with horses, so they didn't need to keep it. In retrospect, I kinda wish I'd told him if she ever wants to talk about her horse, hit me up.

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post #5 of 5 Old 02-29-2020, 10:11 AM Thread Starter
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Took this one to Art yesterday as well as the second Rusty Andrews saddle. Got absolute fantastic news - it is in perfect condition, indeed barely broke in, and just needs 150.00 fleece job. He was very impressed with it's condition, and equally puzzled what kind of conditions would cause the original synthetic fleece to so thoroughly disintegrate while leaving the leather untouched.

Anyway, he said it is indeed a 98 and if he remembered correctly, it would have the original Lynn McKenzie tree in it - and in his opinion, it was one of the best barrel saddle trees ever produced. "They don't make em like that anymore" so to speak. He did specifically say "They had no idea what they had... I'm sure of it". He said every single one he's ever gotten his hands on in that tooling pattern has sold quickly and made a lot of money. Yes the conchos are real plated silver, which I knew since they turn black with tarnish rather than age out to look jaundiced yellow like German Silver will turn.

My friend T and another friend, C, who are both barrel racers, both in their mid to late 40s, are keenly interested. If either of them wanted it, I'd sell it to them cheap as I could and still make a few bucks, but they both insist while they'd like to have it, they know I could make a lot of money on it, more than they want to pay for a back up saddle. LOL We'll see...


Am excited! Very much wish it fit my butt and vice versa. I love, love, love Courts saddles, especially the Camarillo saddles... but I've never found one in a 15 or a 15.5 seat... and that's okay too. My el cheapo Connie Combs is a nice saddle and I'm still very happy with it.

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