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post #1 of 16 Old 05-05-2019, 02:02 PM Thread Starter
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AP or CC saddle suggestions!

So I have a foundation qh/twh cross who looks just like a Morgan. As I'm sure you can guess, he has a very short back,round body and wide shoulders. My old 17.5 wintec 2000 almost fit him, but the saddle was too long. I have pictures of his back conformation attached.

I'm tempted to get another wintec in a smaller seat size and getting it flocked to fit him, but if anyone knows of an English saddle that fits the morgan/Arabian types well, I'd love to hear it! I've heard a lot of people recommending various dressage saddles, but I'd prefer something all purpose or close contact. Anything that isn't a dressage saddle really.

Price isn't a huge issue, I love a good bargain hunt!!
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Where are you located? I have a 16.5 Wintec 2000 in very good condition for sale.


I had to change to Treeless for my short backed RMHA gelding, because he has a really hard to fit back.


Several treeless available too, if you are interested. I currently use a Barefoot Tahoe, which we both love.
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Wait....

What size seat do you need to sit in to ride in balance and comfort to you, to the horse?
You buy a seat size to fit the human anatomy...
You buy a brand of saddle to fit the horses anatomy...
If you had a 17.5" saddle that fit you...unless you lost a considerable amount of weight and lost several inches in height...you will not fit in a saddle that is several seat sizes smaller.

I have heard from some others and have ridden in some Steuben brand saddles that fit horses built similar to your horse.
I don't know the why only that the horses had the room they needed for their shoulder comfort so they could extend and use their bodies correctly which improved the ride.
Sadly, it was a gf saddle I rode in on her horse as mine did not fit him...
She was riding my horse and I was riding hers often as she was a much better rider than I and she loved to school my horse and train him closing holes in his sketchy training.
Her Steuben I remember was a close contact saddle, near black in color so deep the brown, was a harder seat with not much padding...
It had wonderful rider support, simple in design of no knee/thigh rolls and it was a solid plain-flap {} so not of today's fad seen often.
I do not know the model sadly...
Hope that gives you another brand to possibly look into for choices...
Indeed look for some of those older brands when breeds were not refined so much they lost their original breed characteristics/
The other saddle that comes to mind is a older Lynn Palm Collegiate saddle that was made for the stockier built foundation Quarter Horse that Lynn did endorsing on...
I want to say there was a Whipple brand, but not sure that is the name...I can see the saddle and the horses it fit so well...can not remember clearly the manufacturers name...
Hope that gives you a few more to search for and about...

Good luck in the hunt for a new saddle.
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@AnitaAnne
I'm in Southern Pennsylvania, so that's probably way too far. Otherwise I'd totally take you up on that offer.

I have thought about going treeless on my guy, but the lack of twist would be hard on my hip, and I honestly hate the look of treeless english saddles! I mean, I'll get one if it turns out that's the only thing that fits, but so far I'd like to exhaust my options with treed saddles before I go down the treeless route.
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Wait....

What size seat do you need to sit in to ride in balance and comfort to you, to the horse?
You buy a seat size to fit the human anatomy...
You buy a brand of saddle to fit the horses anatomy...
If you had a 17.5" saddle that fit you...unless you lost a considerable amount of weight and lost several inches in height...you will not fit in a saddle that is several seat sizes smaller.

Good luck in the hunt for a new saddle.
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I know that the seat size is for me and the tree is for the horse. But I'm 5'9, and I've been toiling to find a saddle that would fit my butt and my stumpy horses back. It seems like every saddle that fits me in seat size has gigantic panels that would extend miles past his T18. If I have to sacrifice something, I'd rather sacrifice my comfort than his.

Ideally I'd like a good sized seat with upswept panels, but I've only seen those in dressage saddles.
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@AnitaAnne
I'm in Southern Pennsylvania, so that's probably way too far. Otherwise I'd totally take you up on that offer.

I have thought about going treeless on my guy, but the lack of twist would be hard on my hip, and I honestly hate the look of treeless english saddles! I mean, I'll get one if it turns out that's the only thing that fits, but so far I'd like to exhaust my options with treed saddles before I go down the treeless route.
Certainly too far away to try out my saddle(s) but not too far to sell

Hopefully you can find some to try in the area. Here there is hardly anywhere that sells saddles, and none that have trial deals, so I ended up having to buy a lot of saddles before finding a combination we both liked!

Here is a view of my horse and the Tahoe
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OK...so make sure you get measurements of panel length and width to determine if they will accommodate your femur correctly.
You also compressing and stuffing your anatomy in a saddle to small to fit you will put you not in the balanced center of the saddle = unbalanced and potentially placing your weight on the soft spot of contention on a horses spinal column... otherwise known as hurting the horses back by sitting to much force on the cantle...
There is a big difference in something covering and spreading weight distribution and indeed sitting concentrating weight in the wrong spot.
Think this very carefully...
What you "see" in overall appearance is not always where the weight distribution truly is in a saddle that fits human and horse correctly.
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Maybe I should rephrase my question...

Is there a brand of saddle out there that makes short, upswept panels suited for a short backed, wide load of a horse in AP or CC? I'm having a heck of a time finding something to fit the bill, especially since there's no tack shops within a 2 hour drive.
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My Pony is shaped the same way and, you're not going to like to hear this, I ended up having to use a dressage saddle. Before I got that, I used a saddle with what they call a hoop tree. The one I got apparently didn't fit him, but I'd still look into it for yours. One brand that makes them is Albion, but they are heartbreakingly expensive (at least for me). There are other brands that make them.

I will say that the saddle I ended up using for Pony would seem to be too big for him, on paper, but he obviously likes it because he goes much better in it than he did before. It's probably about an inch too long for his body, technically, but he really doesn't mind. I've been told that it's probably because I'm pretty light.
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My Pony is shaped the same way and, you're not going to like to hear this, I ended up having to use a dressage saddle.
Which saddle do you use currently? I'm definitely willing to buy one if it's what fits him. I do only ride very occasionally since I'm more of a driver these days, but I'd still like him to be comfy on those occasional rides.
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