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post #11 of 27 Old 08-01-2009, 08:35 PM Thread Starter
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Just out of curiosity, what is it, exactly, that a bit like this does?
http://www.chicksaddlery.com/Merchan...001/214116.JPG
I've seen a lot of barrel racers in my area use this one or one similar, and I can't say I've seen anything quite like it used before I started barrel racing.
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Pulls on their nose and otherwise creates major dicomfort. I think with the shanks it's supposed to raise the head somehow but I could be wrong on that.

Basically just for 'control'. :P
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post #13 of 27 Old 08-01-2009, 11:21 PM
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I am actually planning to try her in an eggbutt snaffle this week, once I get my hands on one at either the above-mentioned auction, or I'll ask my uncle if he has one I can borrow. I rode her in one briefly, when I first got her, but I don't remember how she was with it or why I switched her bit.
Make sure whatever bit you buy is DOUBLE jointed, with a dog bone, french link, bean, or life saver middle piece. This will likely help with your mare's rooting problem. It will also soften her up around the turns.
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Just out of curiosity, what is it, exactly, that a bit like this does?
http://www.chicksaddlery.com/Merchan...001/214116.JPG
I've seen a lot of barrel racers in my area use this one or one similar, and I can't say I've seen anything quite like it used before I started barrel racing.
It's called a Little S hackamore. It works like a regular hackamore, but is shorter shanked, so more suitable for direct reining. The single rope nose and thin chain make it a bit "harsh", but only if you yank around on your horse too hard . I have a little s and have used it on certain horses that didn't respond to my cross-under bitless (I don't like using a bit on trails).
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And we just had her teeth floated, so unless he missed one, I don't think it's that. So I pretty much figured that I'd try another bit. Hence, I don't want to go out and buy $100+ Myler bits, like my boss likes to suggest.
Ask your vet if he saw any wolf teeth. Mares CAN get them! Mine had one that was causing all kinds of issues, even after we had it filed down. All those went away when my vet pulled it.
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Ask your vet if he saw any wolf teeth. Mares CAN get them! Mine had one that was causing all kinds of issues, even after we had it filed down. All those went away when my vet pulled it.
We had a problem with wolf teeth in my little mare, Ruby, too, so ever since her, the first vet visit for any of our horses involves checking for and removing wolf teeth. So, yup, covered!
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First off, no offence to anyone, but most horses get wolf teeth, not just stallions/geldings, your thinking of those big pointy teeth that I can't think of the name of but don't want to look up, they aren't wolf teeth and are usually in male horses but mares CAN have them. Just wanted ya to know. But as far as rooting, I see it in many mares, just seems more common, is she doing it when girthing and such? Maybe it's just a signal typically classified as "mareish"? But annoying as it is I understand the need to correct it, and I have no advice as to what bit because I ride english, but I am trying to educate myself more, because I've met a lot of nice western folk who have offered me their horses. I'm finding I hate the saddle, probably cause it doesn't fit, at least I haven't sat in one that does. ;) Hope this helps, but this is still a bad season, as I feel the spring isn't a very natural horse season, but just marks the begining, if I were a horse I'd want my baby born about a month ago, when it was hotter during the day, to prevent chilling of a newborn foal, and nice at night, when I probably would decide to foal out, so I feel this is really the heat of mating season. January 1 is an easy human date, not neccesarily when horses want to have babies, and TB"S have made an early year foal the norm. Maybe watch for signs of the season and if you feel it corresponds, hormones might be the best option. And it does appear you have an infamous chestnut mare, but again, I'm to lazy to research, but have always had good terms with those particular horses, and believe me I remember all of them! Each was quirky in it's own way.

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If you keep her on a shorter rein, that can be causing her rooting. You may try to put her in a milder bit just for a while and work on a looser rein than she is used to. I see the rooting alot in horses ridden on tight reins all the time. If her mouth is that sensitive, she may respond better with just a regular snaffle instead of a shanked bit. I don't really care for the broken mouth shanked bits unless the rider has VERY soft hands. An option for a shanked bit is a solid mouth ported bit with very short swivel shanks. I use this on my horses and they respond very well. Plus, it does allow for direct reining without being confusing. Plus you have the loops to make it more like a snaffle instead of a curb if you choose.


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First off, no offence to anyone, but most horses get wolf teeth, not just stallions/geldings, your thinking of those big pointy teeth that I can't think of the name of but don't want to look up, they aren't wolf teeth and are usually in male horses but mares CAN have them. Just wanted ya to know.
Eh, maybe they're called something else, but that's what my vet calls them, so that's what I call them. No offense taken, though, I suppose.

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But as far as rooting, I see it in many mares, just seems more common, is she doing it when girthing and such? Maybe it's just a signal typically classified as "mareish"? But annoying as it is I understand the need to correct it, and I have no advice as to what bit because I ride english, but I am trying to educate myself more, because I've met a lot of nice western folk who have offered me their horses. I'm finding I hate the saddle, probably cause it doesn't fit, at least I haven't sat in one that does. ;) Hope this helps, but this is still a bad season, as I feel the spring isn't a very natural horse season, but just marks the begining, if I were a horse I'd want my baby born about a month ago, when it was hotter during the day, to prevent chilling of a newborn foal, and nice at night, when I probably would decide to foal out, so I feel this is really the heat of mating season. January 1 is an easy human date, not neccesarily when horses want to have babies, and TB"S have made an early year foal the norm. Maybe watch for signs of the season and if you feel it corresponds, hormones might be the best option.
If I understood you right... you thought it was her acting out because of breeding season? I don't breed horses, so I can't say for sure that mares act differently during a particular time of year or not, but I've never noticed any of my mares acting up at one particular time of year (except during their "mare days" ). Magic's just done this for as long as I can remember, and only while we are standing still (which is what has made me think it's a boredom thing).

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And it does appear you have an infamous chestnut mare, but again, I'm to lazy to research, but have always had good terms with those particular horses, and believe me I remember all of them! Each was quirky in it's own way.
Um, not really sure what you mean. ^^;



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If you keep her on a shorter rein, that can be causing her rooting. You may try to put her in a milder bit just for a while and work on a looser rein than she is used to. I see the rooting alot in horses ridden on tight reins all the time. If her mouth is that sensitive, she may respond better with just a regular snaffle instead of a shanked bit. I don't really care for the broken mouth shanked bits unless the rider has VERY soft hands. An option for a shanked bit is a solid mouth ported bit with very short swivel shanks. I use this on my horses and they respond very well. Plus, it does allow for direct reining without being confusing. Plus you have the loops to make it more like a snaffle instead of a curb if you choose.
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I usually try to keep her on the loosest rein I can manage, because she gets upset and less-responsive on a short rein... I ride with ~8ft split reins (despite the gaming ), and outside of showing, I'll sometimes just tie the ends together and drop them over the horn, and she'll keep right on rooting.
Other than a bit of a tug for 'whoa' or backing and the bit of direct reining to get her around a barrel, I rarely even have to use anything but neck reining and leg pressure. Any direct reining I do with her is really light... Almost just picking up the left rein to go left, and there's barely any pressure to it. She's definitely the lightest horse I've dealt with, but I've adapted pretty quickly to how she'd rather be handled, so I believe I'm pretty light handed. Besides me, no one else rides her, either.
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Ok, had to look it up,. the large teeth seen only in male horses are canine teeth, the small, triangular teeth are wolf teeth, usually you cannot see them, but they are signified by bumps on the chin, and even wikipedia states that sex doesn't matter. If you have never heard the chestnut mare thing, well then, they are supposedly the most difficult of mares to deal with, and I have noticed this, and mentioned it among others and they have heard of it. If you don't think it's a mare thing, and worse a chestnut mare thing, then maybe it's just my observations. If your thinking about my comment about not wanting to research, then it was merely due to the ruby in your name and the chestnut horse pictured, I thought that could be Ruby, your chestnut mare, but for all I know it's Magic the bay mare. Sorry. And I don't think breeding horses is an excuse for not knowing about what your mare is really feeling, and maybe you should observe more. Most mares rarely go into heat in the fall or winter, and start getting moodier in the spring. Knowing how she is feeling might help you better understand the circumstances. Does she do this when girthing or otherwise being annoyed? I'm not against you switching bits, that wont affect her season, I'm just saying it could be more of the cause rather than what bit you are using. But if a different bit works, then use it, I just was offering my advice, you don't have to take it.

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