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post #11 of 14 Old 11-24-2018, 02:03 AM Thread Starter
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I'll definitely try that next time I'm at an arena. I'm never scared to ride him, but logically think if I can try to work on his lope in whichever place I may be without slipping or running into things.

I had done 4h for one season and one time during practice me and the other teenagers were being instructed on reining. The stop you do at the beginning with the back up at the middle of the arena? Yeah that stop didn't happen until all the way by the opposite end of the arena up against the fence lol. And during the roll backs at the end my horse nearly didn't stop and hit the breaks too hard at the fence and threw me forward in the saddle (thank cowboys for bucking rolls). The instructor looked at me like I was crazy and said "I've never seen someone smile who almost got thrown into a fence".

Sadly I don't have my own truck or trailer so I need to rely on others for transportation.
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Depending on temperament, there are some horses that will never stop trying to ramp up the speed if you give them a loose rein at the faster gaits. Sometimes you can get them to stop it in the arena, but they still will do it in open spaces.

My question is if the problem you are having is leaning on the bit, or rating speed? Those are really two different problems.

If the horse is leaning, then the issue is that the horse is making you carry him instead of carrying himself. He needs to learn that you want him to carry himself and will not let him travel with his head lower than you ask. In this case, any bit that doesn't have a sharp mouth will do. If the horse leans down on the bit, I use one rein and bump him until he comes back up, then I leave him alone once he has stopped leaning and is carrying the bit lightly with his head where I want it.

You need to watch him when he is moving without a rider to see where he is carries his head when he is balanced. That is where you should ask him to carry his head to start, until he gets stronger. Some horses need a fairly strong bump until they get the idea that you are not going to let them ride down into your hand or go around with their nose near their knees.

Rating speed is different than leaning on the bit. Leaning is the horse using you for balance irregardless of speed. If the horse is just pushing through the bit cues, that is different. When the horse goes faster than you want, you need to ask him to slow by using the reins with a clear signal to slow (some people use both reins in a steady pull and release, some use one rein while holding the other steady).

If the horse does not slow, you do not want to hold steady pressure on the bit. Generally, if he ignores the cue to slow, you should release, then cue again harder and make him drop down a gait. Then practice again, so he is taught that he needs to respond to your cue to slow. If he pushes right through the cues and does not listen, then I would recommend trying a bit with more leverage such as a short shanked curb with a smooth, ported mouth.
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Wish you had a video you could share with us....would answer many things.
After reading your last comment, describing the 4H lesson and near departing from horse by crashing...
What comes to mind is you are not balanced as a rider...
Your horse is running and speeding off from under you in all gaits..
Your horse is not only leaning possibly on his bit and you but you are leaning on him often and not in-sync with him as he moves...so body bumping each others rhythm.
Your body needs to follow the horses, yet support itself...not rely on the horse to provide your balance...
A rider moves in unison, in-sync with their mount at all gaits...as a packaged unit.
Each component balanced, as a whole they make a team approach and work in harmony...

I wonder if doing some lunge-line work to refine you getting, keeping and maintaining your balance astride in quiet harmony would help you.
Your horse sounds like he does not carry a set pace, steady and cadenced but changes often to keep his balance which in turn is affecting yours, but may stem from you not being balanced astride..
When a horse carries a rider who is balanced, working together in harmony the need to hang on each other is greatly reduced...hanging on the bit, being heavy on your arms is often a balance problem the team of horse and rider have...fix who is leaning on who, aka balancing and the issue lessens.

I wish I could explain it better....
I think your thoughts of needing a different bit because the horse leans on you is because you keep bumping the horses very sensitive balance point out of whack...
Horse needs to re-gain his balance when the load he carries keeps moving and sending him off-balance.
If you work your horse in a round-pen naked, or just tack on, no rider...does he keep a steady speed at whatever gait you are working or does he speed up, slow-down, speed up, slow-down???
That answer could tell you many things about how your horse travels....and how a horse travels and moves is their balance...
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I'll definitely try that next time I'm at an arena. I'm never scared to ride him, but logically think if I can try to work on his lope in whichever place I may be without slipping or running into things.

I had done 4h for one season and one time during practice me and the other teenagers were being instructed on reining. The stop you do at the beginning with the back up at the middle of the arena? Yeah that stop didn't happen until all the way by the opposite end of the arena up against the fence lol. And during the roll backs at the end my horse nearly didn't stop and hit the breaks too hard at the fence and threw me forward in the saddle (thank cowboys for bucking rolls). The instructor looked at me like I was crazy and said "I've never seen someone smile who almost got thrown into a fence".

Sadly I don't have my own truck or trailer so I need to rely on others for transportation.
Trying to practice reining movements with a horse that has not been properly developed and prepared for such movements is usually an exercise in futility. At best, you may get something that roughly looks like what you are attempting. At the same time the horse is often pumped with adrenalin which makes it harder to control. Another downside is that some of the movements may be detrimental to the horse’s health if not done properly and on a well-prepared surface.

If the runaway problem is primarily related to the lope or canter, try getting the horse to release tension in the walk and trot. You want to let the horse know it doesn’t need to be tense while working. Hopefully, such knowledge will carry over into the lope.

I applaud your openness to trying things which are designed to help rather than just control your horse. I think you will find that you will be well rewarded.
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