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post #11 of 23 Old 01-05-2010, 10:20 PM
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Wintecs come with either CAIR panels or WOOL flocked (could be wool/synthetic blend). I have never seen a foam flocked Wintec.

Sorry, missed that you ordered a Skito . They are great pads. You can switch out the shims or add more if you find taht you need to change the lift. I have 4 Skitos now and a bucket full of shims, lol.
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post #12 of 23 Old 01-05-2010, 10:28 PM
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If you've had problems with a Wintec on this horse in the past, I'd steer away from the brand altogether.
Go down to your local saddlery, and see if you can try out a selection of saddles. Usually they have 'trial' saddles that people can take home to ride in a few times.
You can pick up some really good second hand saddles, all you have to do is look and ask around. Ask if you can try the saddle on and have a couple of rides in it, and make sure you have someone who is experienced with the fit of a saddle to come along and take a look so you don't fork out your money on the wrong saddle just because it's comfortable for you.
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post #13 of 23 Old 01-05-2010, 10:38 PM Thread Starter
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I haven't had trouble with this horse, I had trouble with a previous horse.

I am confused now, the impression I got was that a saddle with the cair such as a wintec combined with a sway back pad would help him out, and now I am being told that it won't?

The wintec is mentioned in this blog: Baba Yaga's Mirror: The Upside Down Horse, Saddles, and Pads (Oh My!) where it sites the Austrailian College of Equine Chiropractic saying that wintecs with cair are good for horses with sway backs, which kind of what got me started down this track in the first place I suppose.

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post #14 of 23 Old 01-05-2010, 10:39 PM Thread Starter
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Sorry the above post makes me sound a little defensive, I am just trying to understand what is best for my horse. :p

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post #15 of 23 Old 01-05-2010, 10:41 PM
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The CAIR are just panels - the panels do not create the shape of the saddle's tree. Two seperate parts of the saddle.

If the tree is not arched, such as the wintec 500 models - the saddle will sit strait on your horses back, while your horses back archs.

Same issue with your TB, but this time it will be worse, due to your guy being very swayed back - with or without a skitto pad.

CAIR are panels, yes I love them and my Wintec has CAIR - BUT that has nothing to do with proper fit on a horses back that is arched.

You need to find a saddle, that has an arched shaped tree. What the panels are stuffed with, comes after.

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post #16 of 23 Old 01-05-2010, 10:54 PM
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I would call a local saddlery, such as Classic. Even though she may be "pricey" as some people say (not me), she does know saddles. I had a friend with a very hard horse to fit for saddles- she tried and tried.... and eventually went to Classic. She quickly got sorted out, and since it's so close, I'm sure that would be a great resource for you to try. =]
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post #17 of 23 Old 01-06-2010, 12:09 AM
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I own 2 saddles with the CAIR panels....a Bates Innova and a Bates Caprilli CC......and I really like them both.

I think it's personal preference as well as comfort of the horse when it comes to what people prefer inside their panels.

Honestly, I've never had to fit a swayed back horse, so I can't comment on it's suitability to your particular horse.

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post #18 of 23 Old 01-06-2010, 12:20 AM
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The current "new" wintec dressage and AP models are the straighter tree for a flatter back. The older 500, pro dressage and 500 AP are the curvier tree, as is the Wintec 500 cc and Pro Jump cc.

If your horse isn't wide, the Courbette Lemetex trees have quite a bit of "sway" to them.

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post #19 of 23 Old 01-07-2010, 10:55 AM
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I own 2 saddles with the CAIR panels....a Bates Innova and a Bates Caprilli CC......and I really like them both.

I think it's personal preference as well as comfort of the horse when it comes to what people prefer inside their panels.

Honestly, I've never had to fit a swayed back horse, so I can't comment on it's suitability to your particular horse.

I agree with Polaris that it is TOTALLY a personal preference about CAIR. Riding with CAIR is a bit different than a 'traditional' saddle. You would have to ride in it to really feel and note the difference. As you can tell, lol, everyone has a strong opinon about CAIR but that no base to decide on if you like it or not. It is completely personal so I would try them both, if you could, before you buy. :)

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post #20 of 23 Old 01-08-2010, 11:18 AM
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The older 500, pro dressage and 500 AP are the curvier tree, as is the Wintec 500 cc and Pro Jump cc.
I dissagree. Both QHDragon and I have the Wintec 500 A/P and the tree is very strait. My TB has an arhced back and so did her previous TB, and both the tree's on these saddles were too strait, and suits flatter backed horses.

The only Wintec that I know has an arched tree, is the CC.

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