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post #1 of 17 Old 02-07-2020, 11:33 AM Thread Starter
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Concho question... brands

Aight. So. I have these two older Rusty Andrew/M&R barrel saddles. Whirling Oak leaf and acorns on one, the other is an all over acorn/oak leaf tooling, no whirl, but has the really deep tooling. I mean these things both look carved more than tooled.

Both have a classy old school look to them.

The Whirling Oak saddle is missing a single concho, a clear edge floral. I thought I had some of the same quality and pattern as take-offs from an older Double J I had, but nope. They're a rope edge. I can get a single clear edge from Montana Silversmith.

The other saddle, however, is missing ALL it's conchos. Someone has stuck a couple of partrade steer head and barbed wire conchos on it, so it has two, and they just look cheap on this saddle (I've put them on rough out ranch saddles and ropers before and they look pretty good on that kind of saddle. They certainly appealed to the younger ropers and ranch hand sorts. On the Rusty Andrew's saddle? Cheap).

I'm wanting to go back with old school classy conchos on it. My problem is the 'old school' florals are getting harder to find. Tandy, Conchoworld (Or whatever it is), ebay, amazon, Hilason, Teskeys, even Double J are going to some pretty gaudy conchos and I've seen the bedazzled berry type conchos till I'm sick of them. I actually have three or four sets of those, in really pretty colors, and I'm just saving them for the right saddle to flip... this one ain't it. I'm also running into wildly varying quality on conchos... the last few I ordered in were tinny and just generally poorly made.

So. I've ran across Hansen conchos... and I REALLY like what I'm seeing. Does anyone have any experience with them? How long do they look nice, etc? I've found a saddle set of their Oklahoma pattern (A nice old school floral with a slow twist rope edge) for 80.00. I did the math last night, that's about what a full set of Montana Silversmith will run me.

Anyone know of any brands of equal quality and cost to those two? (Montana and Hansen?) I'm not looking for trendy... I'm needing classy for this saddle and it's going dark with oiling, so I want the bright silver on it to give it some pop.

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Definitely go Hansen.
When hubby was building custom headstalls that is who he ordered through. Very nice people too.
That is the highest quality you can get before going to get a silversmith to build a set and spending a pile of money. Which in your case of flipping saddles you'll lose whatever money your going to net on custom silver.

Hansen used to have different levels of quality, or they used to, to match the amount of money you want to spend.

I think Montana Silversmiths is cheap looking plus the electroplate really looks like junk when it yellows. And it takes very little use for it to looking that way.

We still have a couple headstalls hubby built with Hansen silver that are about 10 years old and were used when we were cowboying.
I'll take a couple pics so you can see how it wears.

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Thank you so much @COWCHICK77 ! Nothing I hate more than crappy looking conchos on a nice saddle or well made tack. I have noticed saddles with Montana Silversmith hardware on them... the clear finish on the hardware will start to peel or flake off, then it does start to look junky.



I even have a set of Jeremiah Watt... that one type you see everywhere, from Weaver headstalls to new roping saddles... but they just don't look right with this saddle.


Good to know on the Hansen hardware - if I'm spending 80 bucks for a set of conchos, I want to know they're going to look good from day one. Some of these now will rust, feel light, the engraving is poorly done... looks like a fax of a fax of a fax of a fax. The Hansen ones caught my eye.
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I agree!
I'm not a fan of the JW mass produced stuff either. His original items are beautiful though.

I think you'll be pleased with Hansen.
When I get back to the house I'll get pictures. The gal I order my everyday headstalls uses Hansen. Same with JM Capriolas, they use Hansen. I have a headstall from them with Hansen conchos.

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I agree!
I'm not a fan of the JW mass produced stuff either. His original items are beautiful though.

I think you'll be pleased with Hansen.
When I get back to the house I'll get pictures. The gal I order my everyday headstalls uses Hansen. Same with JM Capriolas, they use Hansen. I have a headstall from them with Hansen conchos.

Yeah, I just keep one set of JW conchos on hand... again... for the 'right' saddle. So far it's not come up. I'll run across a nicely tooled older Ammerman one of these days that needs new conchos and that's where they'll go.


I wonder how long this crystal bling berry concho trend will continue. It's ran a couple of years now with no sign of letting up... and IME, with normal use the bling gets knocked off/falls off. Kinda ready to see that one move on out of here. LOL


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Do you ever do just leather conchos without a silver concho on top? Looks kind of like a leather rose. That is what I have on my one working saddle. I didn't want any shiny metal on it other than D rings.
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Do you ever do just leather conchos without a silver concho on top? Looks kind of like a leather rose. That is what I have on my one working saddle. I didn't want any shiny metal on it other than D rings.

I do on ranch saddles and all rough out saddles, certain roping saddles, that sort of thing if it's a saddle with strings. I have a huge Plano tacklebox crammed and organized with stuff like the leather conchos, steel rings, screws, metal conchos... pliers... prolapse needle (Handy for getting strings through the fleece and skirts if that's how it's stringed) and box cutter blades.



It goes with me to rodeos because I never know when I might be asked to restring a saddle or clean one while someone waits. :P

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These are couple of the headstalls hubby made. They just hang on the wall as the horses they were used on are long gone.
The silver just needs cleaned.

On the lighter colored one, I believe the diamonds were the electroplate. You can see the difference between it and the sterling bit clips. But still wears and looks much better than Montana Silversmiths.
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The two newer ones are everdsy headstalls I bought in the last year or two.
The one that needs cleaned is a Capriolas headstall I've had for years.
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Those are gorgeous... and I can indeed tell a difference between the aging Montana Silversmith stuff I've come across and what you have there with Hansen.


Def. going with Hansen since it's the same money as Montana Silversmith.
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