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post #11 of 38 Old 10-11-2009, 07:27 PM
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Try the French Link and see what happens.

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post #12 of 38 Old 10-12-2009, 03:36 AM
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What's you opinion of a gag bit like this?
Do you think it might be any more forgiving?



It's what Zeus goes in, has for years, shown in jumpers with, on the flat, and has been totally happy with it. I have read up on these bits and I'm wary about using it. I'm switching him to a snaffle soon, it's also rubber as he doesn't really like metal bits. I am riding him in it now, because when he first came home he definitely needed it. It's actually teaching me even more to ride from my seat because I am super soft and forgiving with my hands in this bit, and in general. I think it has it's place, if used correctly, but can SO easily be misused that it's mostly not worth it.

But that's just my opinion. My horse is happy and healthy and seems to like his bit.
I'm not really agreeing or disagreeing here I guess. But I will not be using this bit for much longer, at least on the flat.
First of all..it's so thick, can he close his mouth around it?

And I'm actually not sure..it might be a little better as it doesn't have the leverage (pessoas has a leverage vut not the same kind as regular shanks) but the effect is still that it squeeses the head together and pull the bit up towards the ears..I see no point in such a bit and I concider that a very harsh action.

The mouthpiece on that is the same as a regular snaffle, if the horse takes that bitbut not a snaffle bit, it needs education to learn how to trust the bit and listen to it, or your hands are too stiff. You probably put way more pressure than you believe in the horses mouth with this bit as well.


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post #13 of 38 Old 10-12-2009, 03:42 AM
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Thanks MIE. At first I wasn't sure how bad it could be because I know how much his owner cares about him, but maybe she just doesn't know? I'll be switching him out of it next time I go out there. I also have a french link. Sorry to hikack the thread, but which do you think would be better? My rubber d snaffle of the french link? Zeus will gets heavy sometimes and I TOTALLY know what you mean with the gag. I literally can't pull his head up when he gets into that frame of mind, he just barrels along with his head, as you saind, to his chest.
Of course you can't, no matter wich direction you pull the reins, up or down or sideways, the result is still just more pressure and the bit' going further up his mouth forcing his head down.


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^ I'm sorry if you misread me, he'll take any bit not just that one, I was just saying that he's always been happy and pleasant about it. I was saying that he prefers rubber bits, as it's pretty much what he's been ridden in for most of his career. But my plan is to try the french link. I'm switching to it today when I go out to the barn. He could close his mouth around the rubber gag bit just fine. As for the last comment about the gag, that when you pull instead of being able to pull him up, it instead pulls his head DOWN... yes I know, I've realized, and I agree.

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post #15 of 38 Old 10-12-2009, 03:23 PM Thread Starter
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Oh and if I was to use this bit that I posted it would be french link because Phoebe hates any other type of mouth piece
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post #16 of 38 Old 10-12-2009, 03:29 PM
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In my humble opinion, gag bits should be used with two reins, just like a pelham should. The one rein should go on the snaffle ring, and the other rein on the gag action ring, so that you aren't always riding on the gag action rein.
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That is what I thought because I have never used just a shanked bit that like had no snaffle part on it only something like this and the pelham just wondering I can use double reins but was just wondering would a conector confuse the horse as to the two actions as in the leverage action and the snaffle action?
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That is what I thought because I have never used just a shanked bit that like had no snaffle part on it only something like this and the pelham just wondering I can use double reins but was just wondering would a conector confuse the horse as to the two actions as in the leverage action and the snaffle action?
Bingo, you hit the nail on the head.
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Yay I was right bout that lol my dad was like no she will be fine you will get mixed up with the double reins while out on a fast paced hunt and I was like well I will have a confused horse on a fast paced hunt lol
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Oh and sorry for the double post but if using double reins and a running martingale which set of reins would you put the martingale on?
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