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post #11 of 58 Old 10-04-2009, 11:26 PM
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The group cantered away (scary enough) along the rocky trail. I had to yell out to have them stop. I *think* it was because their horses got out of hand. (*rolls eyes*)
Oh, boy! That's what called not follow the "trail riding etiquette (spell?)". Very dangerous in fact and I've seen it so many times when I was working as trail guide. In such situation basically almost any horse can take off: I've seen the QUIETEST horses just run behind trying to follow the crowd. So my best advise (as I already said) - do NOT go with people who don't care about every person in group. Find someone nice and quiet, so you could agree any time on how fast you want to ride.



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Dang! I hate it when people don't care about everyone in the groups needs. I've seen some really really bad accidents, with really quite horses just because one or two people just didn't care and let their horses run. I am really glad you're ok. =)

I agree with Kitten_Val, don't go with people that don't ride to the neediest horse/rider in the group. I also like her idea of taking him out on his own, maybe even walking him (like a dog or something) out on the trail until he can handle being small distances from home (if that's also an issue) etc.
Lacey, at least, behaves better on her own than she does in a group. Going out on his own might also help him learn that you two are a herd of two and that he doesn't need other horses to keep him safe, you two are enough.

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post #13 of 58 Old 10-04-2009, 11:42 PM
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maybe even walking him (like a dog or something) out on the trail until he can handle being small distances from home (if that's also an issue) etc.
Great idea! In fact I did that too with my paint (not my qh though) when I started taking her out on trails (she's also very nervous, fast, and wants to run type of horse). She absolutely LOVED that: no work, new things around to see, and socializing with people. I had issues kicking her back to the trailer to go home. She tried to pull me back to the park. :)



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Sunny,

Have you ever tried an English Hackamore, we use them on some of more stubborn/spirited Horses and because it tends to cut off the air flow, they behave pretty well when they get into those moods.

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Many horses do this during trails, my trail horse does it if he is closer to the back of a large trail riding group, and my one mare does this. It's definitely dangerous but definitely fixable.

For my mare, it was an anxiety thing, but for my trail horse, he didn't see me as a leader while on the trails and he was paying attention to the other horses not me. When ever possible on trails I'll do different things to keep his focus on me...whether it be side-passing or shoulders in or something of that sorts. So he knows that I am still up here and still the leader.
I also find with my gelding that the closer he is to the front (or leading) he better he is. I am unsure of the real cause for him, but me being a better leader on his back definitely helped. I've only had one time that he was really bad and got really dangerous on a trail.

The worst thing though that you could do is get a harsher bit or use a hackamore to "cut off air flow" to control the horse. Something is lacking in his foundation and you are seeing it now.

Also if your group does tend to go off without you or faster than what you are comfortable with, sit down and talk to them. Explain the situation. It could be something as easy as they didn't know you were having problems. When my friends and I go out trail riding we always say "okay we are going to canter, is everyone ok with that?" (or something to that extent). If someone says no or seems to hesitate we don't. It's just common trail curtesy.


But one question though, if your horse is known to trip and fall, why are you taking him out on rocky grounds especially rocky hills? That's asking for problems. Have you had the vet out about this? it could be that he's so off balanced that he can't go down slowly also. I do hill work with all my horses and if they aren't properly balanced they go down really fast
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But one question though, if your horse is known to trip and fall, why are you taking him out on rocky grounds especially rocky hills? That's asking for problems. Have you had the vet out about this? it could be that he's so off balanced that he can't go down slowly also. I do hill work with all my horses and if they aren't properly balanced they go down really fast
Well.

Not that I'm trying to make excuses... But he *has* been a little better tripping-wise lately.

I think it was becasue his feet were being cut too long. I got a new farrier, so his feet have been cut a little shorter than normal. I naturally always kept them long because he is gaited and out of tradition, however, he gaits perfectly fine without them long so I left them short.

Could be the reason I dunno. (but I'm pretty sure ;)

Thanks guys, I will *first* try the 'keeping his mind busy WITH horses around' before I try the riding by myself. It sounds plausible.

I actually really like riding solo, and he is much better behaved that way. That can be the next thing to try. I know our trails like the back of Sunny's hoof so I won't get lost

As for buying MORE tack? Gads. I'd like to not do that ;) And the cutting off the air flow dosen't even sound safe. When you're in the mountains 2600 feet above sea level, you need all the oxygen you can get. No room for error.
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post #17 of 58 Old 10-06-2009, 03:24 PM
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ok when you go for a ride with your friends make them wait for you, make sure that there is at least one horse behind you, your horse just wants to catch up with his friends.

Keep your feet on the ground when your head's in the clouds.
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I think yo probably don't have as much contol as you think in the arena. My horses are just as herd bound as any other but I have control of every part of them. You need to work on getting your horse supple and breaking at the poll. Ride by yourself and when you are with a group don't let him get too far behind. You have created the problem by letting him get behind then trot to catch up. That's no different than if you raced him back to the barn. Get some collection and teach him to walk fast enough to keep up. You may need to use spurs or a crop to encourage him to put some effort into his stride.

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Would it help if I mentioned he is a bit hard-mouthed? He was a rental trail horse before I bought him (a little over 3 years ago). I had always used a TWH bit with him until about a year ago when I started using other bits on and off...

I really don't think his mouth problem would be me...? Of course he does get pretty wired. Sometimes I haven't a choice.
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Try ponying him on a trail and hanging back behind the group.

I personally hate one rein stops, but he sounds like a good candidate to try it out on. Can he/you do one?

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