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post #21 of 58 Old 10-06-2009, 07:47 PM
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Training, training, training. Don't go sticking a severe bit in his mouth to cover up a training flaw, fix it.
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Never said I was going to. Specifically said I wasn't.
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You haven't said it directly, no, but comments like "I would give anything to ride him in a snaffle" make me wonder.
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You haven't said it directly, no, but comments like "I would give anything to ride him in a snaffle" make me wonder.
Would this satisfy you?

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As for buying MORE tack? Gads. I'd like to not do that ;)
And yes, I WOULD love to permanentely ride him in a snaffle. I don't need to hear anything more about that.

However, I'm open to pretty much anything saddle-wise. If someone has an idea saddle-wise, I'd consider it because I'm looking for a new saddle, but headear-wise? I'd much rather stay away from more wasted money.
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Would this satisfy you?



And yes, I WOULD love to permanentely ride him in a snaffle. I don't need to hear anything more about that.

However, I'm open to pretty much anything saddle-wise. If someone has an idea saddle-wise, I'd consider it because I'm looking for a new saddle, but headear-wise? I'd much rather stay away from more wasted money.
There is no type of saddle that will make your horse well trained. If you want to stay in the saddle well, then you can get a western one so you can hold onto the handle, but that doesn't change the horse at all. Quoting your OP: "I ended up hauling on his mouth with all my strength, extremely off-balance, and he goes running down the rock trail with his head a-flailing doing everything he can to get away from the bit, tripping all the way" Why do you think he is trying to get away from the bit? Because you are pulling too hard on whatever bit you are using. He is tripping and head-flailing because, as you directly say, you are extremely off-balance. This is why a trainer is important rather than just riding alone, because you and your horse both have things to work on.
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There is no type of saddle that will make your horse well trained. If you want to stay in the saddle well, then you can get a western one so you can hold onto the handle, but that doesn't change the horse at all. Quoting your OP: "I ended up hauling on his mouth with all my strength, extremely off-balance, and he goes running down the rock trail with his head a-flailing doing everything he can to get away from the bit, tripping all the way" Why do you think he is trying to get away from the bit? Because you are pulling too hard on whatever bit you are using. He is tripping and head-flailing because, as you directly say, you are extremely off-balance. This is why a trainer is important rather than just riding alone, because you and your horse both have things to work on.
Thank you.
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He is tripping and head-flailing because, as you directly say, you are extremely off-balance.
Actually thinking about it... My qh was like that too - up to the point I was somewhat afraid to ride her not in flat ring. Changing to the different farrier who started to take her toe off helped tremendously.



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He needs training. This is not an equipment issue.

There isn't a piece of tack in the world that will fix this problem.

I noticed one thing you mentioned. He used to be a rental trail horse. THAT is probably a huge reason why he is herd bound.

My girlfriends pony was a rental trail horse before she rescued him. He was the same way. Hard mouthed, herd bound. Although he was to the point of dangerous (which is why the stable sold him). He would buck/rear/roll/bolt whenever you tried to hold him back.

Horses are herd animals, when you ask them to stay behind the pack, it's makes them anxious, because naturally they aren't comfortable being alone. It makes them very vulnerable.

Your horse needs to learn to trust you, so that when he's with a group, he doesn't feel anxious when the other horses leave him. Arena and ground work and lots of alone time, just you and him, is what you need.

And of course a trainer.
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You may not like this advice but I think you should not take him on trails for a while. I think you should ride in an arena and get him super responsive, then start riding with about two other poeple then four ect..... I think being herd bound is reall yhard to break in a horse. I rode this pony that was really heard bound, then would take off chrging other horses for no reason out of nowhere. This next part i only advise for emergencys and it might sound really harsh to some people. When all else failed( seat, rein, Qs) i popped him in the mouth because he almost smashed into another rider who was a begginer and had no idea what was going on around her. I NEVER see saw. especially not to get my horses attention. You refered to see sawing as the pully thing. Im sorry for being blunt at times in my advice but i hope my advice helps. I don't know how else to say it. lol

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I agree with Hali on this one.

Your horse needs to learn to trust you and to bond with you. Lots of alone time is a start. You also need to remind yourself not to get angry when your horse isn't listening to you. Just keep moving his feet and put a 'job' for your horse to focus to (example figure eighting some trees).
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