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post #21 of 48 Old 11-20-2008, 01:48 PM Thread Starter
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I definitly do think that you are paying for a name. You can buy or make a rope halter, carrot stick, weird cow print cover for a barrel, etc. But because Parelli is the current fad, its all jacked up 200% of what it should be.

Dont get me wrong, if his methods work for you, thats fine. Whatever works (That doesnt harm the horse) I think is great. But I do think he's just a giant marketing scam and it kind of worries me when some people think that because they have a Parelli DVD they should go out and try and ride their untouched three year old when they havent seen a horse in 10 years.

But again, whatever works for you. It doesn't really jive well with me.
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post #22 of 48 Old 11-20-2008, 02:00 PM
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Woah! Don't buy it!
I could do to the guy who makes saddles for the QUEEN, get a custom made one fitted to Misty for cheaper!
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post #23 of 48 Old 11-20-2008, 09:08 PM
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The thing that I find most amazing with their saddle is that it is NOT a custom saddle. you have 2 (yes 2) tree sizes. (Parelli standard and Super wide)
This is from their site about the standard
"Standard: This saddle will suit the majority of riders and horses. While we call this Parelli STANDARD, remember it is approx. a 7X, or seven times wider than most English saddle gullets described as "wide". It is already constructed in a way to improve your horse's ability to use his back. "

I measured my fiance's english saddle. The gullet width (in the back of the saddle) is 2 inches. If the standard is 7 times that, then it would be 14 inches which would be LARGER than his saddle!
Now, if they're talking about the front part of the gullet to have a wide, it wouldn't fit ANY of my horses. Why do you ask? Because Montana is most likely a narrow or medium narrow, and Gem and Vega are narrows. Any wider on any of them and the saddle will be SITTING on their withers, not that cannot be good for any horse.

Don't forget that when you do shell out the over 4k for the saddle (which takes anywhere from 45-90 days.. 1 1/2 -3 months for you saddle) the BEST way to really ride with this saddle is to use THEIR saddle pads. And they're being sold for the low price of $440! ($330 if you're a savvy member...)

I wanted to get a feel for how much it would be to have a CUSTOM saddle done, price wise.
I stumbled across this site. (Custom-Fitted English Saddles by Master Saddler, Michael Stokes of Centaur Saddlery)
All their english saddles (Dressage, AP, Close contact and cross country saddles) all start at $2,800

I personally, wouldn't spend over $4,000 for some non brand (But I would pay over 4k for a well known brand/maker like Stubben, Butet, Pessoa, etc) While Parelli is a big name, it says nothing to me about quality of the saddle.

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post #24 of 48 Old 11-22-2008, 10:47 PM
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there's nothing wrong with a chair seat position...it just doesn't look pretty nor is it part of normal equitation, equitation is only to make the person look "pretty" on the horse, it doesn't have anything to do with balance. When I ride, I have a chair seat...yet I can ride out anything a horse throws at me

The vertical seat (sorry, not sure of the name) is not for the riders balance, but for the horses. If you sit in a chair seat, your seatbones will dig into the horses back (tho with a saddle that doesn't matter much) but your legs will also keep the horse from using it's shoulders, and your weight is making it harder for the horse to carry right since you push down his back more than you would otherwise. But mostly; a chair seat effectivly locks your hips and makes it almost impossible to really follow the horses back movements.
I'm not trying to argue with you, but simply to explain things in a way you might not have had it explained (nobody ever managerd to explain it to me even tho I asked various people..for over 10 yars ), and then you're free to think I'm right or wrong. ;)
Maybe you can explain why a chair seat is good?

I should add that I don't like the seat I see on most dressage riders either; their legs are far too straight or often pushed back by huge knee rolls and sometimes the heels are even hehind thar riders vertical line.. they get swaybacked and lock their hips even more than a chair seat would, at the same time theyre squeesing the horses sides with their thighs and pushing it forward. No offense dressage people, this is just what I have noticed :P

Something in between is much better balanced and free.. the knee should have an angle and the rider should sit relaxed on the horse without pushing the lower back in any direction (just yoelding and following the horse backs movements), and a line should go straight down through shoulder, hip and heel. But if the heel isn't exactly right doesn't matter much, especially in the start, as long as the lower back can flex and the rider is relaxed. The heel will find it's place naturally when the lower back and the rest of the body learns to follow the horse.

I even made a picture to show how I mean.. >_>





Ok, sorry for getting off topic. I don't like Parelli.. their methods might work good but they're charging ahigh price for them..they're not THAT unique. It seems the tack is usually rip offs on other stuff.


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post #25 of 48 Old 11-22-2008, 10:56 PM
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Actually a chair seat is wrong.
Your position is critical in both your balance and the horse's. Your position (being correct or incorrect) DOES effect the horse.

Please go read Sally Swift's book, Centered Riding. It will explain things much better than I ever could.

However I think it is a gross misunderstanding to say that a chair seat is okay, even more so to say that having correct position is to just look pretty.

Correct equitation (body position) is for function, not just form.
A chair seat pushes you way off balance.

Sorry, that's the truth of it.. and that comment bugged me.

Oh, and I just realized that there are 2 pages of comments, not just one.

Zab, I have to disagree with you too. The Dressage seat SHOULD BE like the third image drawn. Your "dressage seat" shows a rider with a hollow back and an incorrect line, and that is NOT how a dressage rider should sit. A correct seat is the third down, except with heels down too. So we agree that the correct position is the last image, the third one down - a dressage seat should NOT be like the first one you drew. That is incorrect.

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post #26 of 48 Old 11-23-2008, 01:17 AM
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I just have one question. If the correct position, is in fact incorrect, then why does every single trainer across the country and the world train their riders to ride like that? I agree with JDI. Incorrect positions really throw your horse off balance, and you'll be off balance too.
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I could NOT believe that they were selling the success series for $500. I about fell out of my chair.
But what really got me was when I read the seven games and realized that I have done many of them myself without even realizing it. I guess I expected them to be a bit more challenging or at least something new and different for me to try.

This is where I read about the seven games at:
Horse-Canada.com | Your Horse Source Pat Parelliís Seven Games
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post #28 of 48 Old 11-23-2008, 11:20 AM
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I have a chair seat...yet I can ride out anything a horse throws at me
I can't imagine thats true. Not you inparticular.. if a horse rears someone with a chair seat is a lot less likely to stay on than someone with the correct position. It really isn't just to look pretty, I agree with JDI and snapple
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I just have one question. If the correct position, is in fact incorrect, then why does every single trainer across the country and the world train their riders to ride like that? I agree with JDI. Incorrect positions really throw your horse off balance, and you'll be off balance too.
If you referred to me, I've explained my point of view to what's wriong, but not why it's used...
Why the seat many dressage inners use is still awarded, is probably since all competitions that's about looking a certain way tends to be extreme. You see it in dog breeding, western pleasure (pea nut rolling horses and the sometimes extremely slow movements), cat breeding and probably a lot other contests where looks matters a lot. Even if dressage is supposed to be aboutfunction, since you don't really do any specific tasks (open gaits, jumpng) that can be easily judged, it turns out to be about looks anyway.


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Alright I'm not going to say anymore about chair seat since JDI stole the words from my mouth.

But I could get a saddle custome made for me and more horse for the same or less money. That is stupid, really stupid. I have to say anyone that buys on of his saddles needs to give their head a shake and wake up.
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