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post #1 of 25 Old 02-24-2020, 04:33 AM Thread Starter
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revive 70 y old tack (kieffer)

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My grandpa gifted me his old dressage Kieffer saddle and some bits, spurs and tack (german nosebands). As some of you know I ride western, I don't have my own horse (yet) and I don't like bits (not completely against it either, but I am not going to use them on my own horse, if I ever buy one it will be a western schooled horse that is ridden in a bosal or a bitless bridle)

Anyways, I would like to clean up this tack and revive it.(the state of the leather of the saddle is good, but some white spotting (mold??) and rips here and there) It is approx 70 years old. Maybe I will use this saddle if it ever fits my future horse. If it doesn't or if it's too old/unsafe to ride in, I will use it as decoration. :) I already got advice from my friends and family that ride! But I would like to hear some more opinions! :) Just for the fun of sharing and because a lot of knowledge is accumulated on this forum. What do you guys think?
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post #2 of 25 Old 02-24-2020, 04:35 AM Thread Starter
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sorry about this pic, I will take better ones soon! (just wanted to share this one already) The leather of the headpieces looks in bad shape... I don't know if they are suitable for use anymore. Close up pics will follow soon!!
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I want to clearly state that I want to keep and clean this tack because it's family heritage and it means alot to my grandpa. Not planning on riding in it if it would be unsafe for me or the horse. I am also taking the saddle to a saddle maker to have it checked and the cushions need to be refilled because they are too hard. :) But first I want to do as much as I can myself!! I like repurposing old stuff. :)

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Doesn't look so bad, the saddle...
It should be seen by a saddler to check for things a camera can't reveal.
From what I do see though the leather is healthy cause it does have a thin varnish of mold on it...if not healthy it can't host mold, a living organism.
Stitching looks tight and intact, the bit seen.
The button has green goo so again a nice mix of not to wet nor to dry conditions the saddle was kept in.

The saddle seat "wrinkle" I would want checked out...
Is it just compressed and need restuffed or is it the dreaded cracked tree is a must to know.
Re-flocking is not cheap to do it right, and this saddle you said has compressed panels, this part is under the seat that goes flat.
Is the seat needing re-flocked too, or is it something else needs found out.

The bridles...if they are quality as the saddle is may just need some cleaning and conditioning.
As long as cracking is not seen, handle them, clean and condition and then see what you have to work with.
Check the cheek piece studs area carefully where the straps secure to themselves.
I saw what appears web style reins...if they are web they should weather the time well but do check all those areas where the rein studs are as that is the leather that tends to dry, crack and break in use.

As for bits....don't, don't sell those!!
They are made with a compound of German silver that no matter what you do they will not shine so don't bother trying to do it.
Clean them up and use them, display them.
These types of bits are my favorite to use on any horse....horses love the taste and it promotes a moist mouth and these bits have weight to them that don't care how much you spend you can't duplicate and again...horses love this balanced weight and feel to carry in their mouth.
These are gentle bits, made well and balanced when made...an art lost today no matter the price paid.

I have a eggbutt bit exactly as your appears...in over 40 years of riding horses I have never bridled a horse who did not relax, become soft and communication was a premium using this bit.
For someone who sounds to not want to ride with a bitted bridle but may have to...this is the bit my horse would carry. {If you decide to show you may not have a choice but to ride bitted by rule decree}

You are "sitting" on history, but you are gifted some of the best in quality that lives on near forever if taken good care of during its lifetime..
As is told often, old saddles & tack last a lifetime because they were made with good materials to start with...true no matter what discipline you ride.

Let us know what you find when a saddler looks at your treasures...
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Thanks for the feedback! You told me more than any of my friends and acquintances did... I didn't know the bits were so good... I live in an area and country where english riding is predominant and western schooled horses are really expensive. I don't know what I will end up with (horse and schooling), so if an opportunity arises and the horse is english schooled I will not pass up on it... :) I will probably end up with a horse that needs to be ridden with a bit, so these might come in handy. Even if I never use the tack it will never be sold, my granpa would kill me and besides we agreed it should remain in the family...

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@@horselovinguy mentioned that reflocking can be expensive. I'm sure it varies from place to place, but as an idea, I paid $250 to have a saddle reflocked and fitted to my horse. Just so you have an idea. That reminds me, you might want to wait for reflocking until you actually have a horse to put it on, as you could have it fitted to the horse at the same time. Just a thought. You are SO LUCKY to have that family heritage passed down to you!

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@@horselovinguy mentioned that reflocking can be expensive. I'm sure it varies from place to place, but as an idea, I paid $250 to have a saddle reflocked and fitted to my horse. Just so you have an idea. That reminds me, you might want to wait for reflocking until you actually have a horse to put it on, as you could have it fitted to the horse at the same time. Just a thought. You are SO LUCKY to have that family heritage passed down to you!

Okay, I will clean and grease the tack and wait until I have my own horse (that will probably be in approx 5-7 years since I first want to advance more as a rider)

He still has a lot of other tack left... I only took what seemed usable, but I don't know much about it... So maybe there are other usable things too? I wouldn't know... I took what looked in best shape... (he told me to go look in the saddle room and take home whatever I wanted.)
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Thanks for the feedback! You told me more than any of my friends and acquintances did... I didn't know the bits were so good...

Your welcome.
Those bits are similar but also very different.
Look closely at them and see the difference in barrel diameter is meant for a horse with more palate room from either a smaller, thinner tongue or for a fleshier tongue.
They are slightly different metal in each bit as you can see the patina...
Put them in boiling water and swish around, let soak for a while then remove, rinse and they should be good for use again, they actually don't look to bad with dirt/filth attached.

Those stirrup irons do the same thing with..think those may be weighted irons as in old school so they did not bounce if you removed foot {aka dropping your irons} or literally foot slipped out the stirrup wasn't so hard to recapture. I can't tell by the picture if they have stirrup pads in them or not...if yes, measure carefully and buy replacement ones

I love old tack for the stories it can tell when you are cleaning it...
Yours looks dusty but not filthy and bet grandpa took care and cleaned his equipment often.


Before you go cleaning with just anything...
Ask your grandpa what he used to clean his leather with since at this age it might be better to not strip out natural time enhanced what he lovingly put in.
If he not remember, I would recommend using glycerine bar or real saddle soap not some of the products advertised today...they are harsh whether people want to believe that or not.
To condition...I only use Pure Neatsfoot Oil and only apply very small amounts the leather easily absorbs so you not greasy or rot the stitching this old saddle has...stitching today is very different threads used than yesteryear made equipment.
Again, do not strip but clean...and then nourish if needed.
If you are not sure it needs conditioning ask your grandpa..he will know by look and feel.
That saddle has a rich patina of quality and care showing..do not steal it away or you will pay the price and hate yourself for what you just did.
The saddle might only need some sweat equity of a really through cleaning done to restore a hidden beauty waiting to be revealed again.

Flocking & evaluation need attention of a reputable tack shop who does repairs.

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I took some more pictures of the headpieces and the other things, also some close ups of the headpieces, reins and damage on the saddle. And yes, my grandpa is well in his nineties and until recently he cleaned and greased his tack often. He was never rich, but was very proud on his horses and he bought the best tack he could afford so his animals would be comfortable. He told me many stories about the hunting they did and the dressage competitions, the riding in the fields, the jumping... etc... I still remember his horses vaguely (I was still a little child and was forbidden to be too close for safety reasons... They were belgian warmblood sport horses. :)
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