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post #1 of 10 Old 06-04-2019, 08:34 PM Thread Starter
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Saddle brand unknown

I bought a used saddle a while ago, and now I'm trying to sell it. I get a lot of questions about the brand. I see no markings anywhere other than the size. I've included some pictures any help would be appreciated.
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post #2 of 10 Old 06-04-2019, 09:27 PM
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I see its your first post . Welcome to the HF .Looks too me at least from pic's like an India /Mexico import . What throws me off are the steel ? stirrups . Dont let the wrapped horn fool you thats not a true roping saddle . The front dee is way lower than the back rigging dee , and because of the angle it appears it has not horizontal leather strap from dee to dee . Looks alot "like" a Hilason import . You didnt ask but i"am gonna say it ., if i had to put a value on it i would say $250 . Just my thoughts , others may vary .
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You know, while most saddles worth their salt will be marked.......this looks pretty nice for an unmarked saddle. Most cheapies don't have the nice cantle or a nicely shaped hard seat. I would have to see it in person to determine if I thought it was a decent quality saddle or junk. Odds are it's a cheapie simply because no one bothered to put their name on it. However, other than that, there is really nothing about it that screams cheap to me. Yes, the rigging is "different" but I used to own a Big Horn that was rigged like that. So while it wasn't top-of-the-line, it wasn't junk either.

I'm actually pretty attracted to the seat and cantle in particular. I think anyone that paid $250 for it (in Rawhide's example) would feel like they got a very good deal on it. If it's in good condition I think it would easily bring $300-$400, where I live anyway. Maybe it's just because people don't know the difference, but any halfway decent saddle around here will bring that.
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You know, while most saddles worth their salt will be marked.......this looks pretty nice for an unmarked saddle. Most cheapies don't have the nice cantle or a nicely shaped hard seat. I would have to see it in person to determine if I thought it was a decent quality saddle or junk. Odds are it's a cheapie simply because no one bothered to put their name on it. However, other than that, there is really nothing about it that screams cheap to me. Yes, the rigging is "different" but I used to own a Big Horn that was rigged like that. So while it wasn't top-of-the-line, it wasn't junk either.

I'm actually pretty attracted to the seat and cantle in particular. I think anyone that paid $250 for it (in Rawhide's example) would feel like they got a very good deal on it. If it's in good condition I think it would easily bring $300-$400, where I live anyway. Maybe it's just because people don't know the difference, but any halfway decent saddle around here will bring that.
I agree. I have a high quality custom made saddle that is not marked either. I had a skilled saddle maker build it with everything I wanted right down to the tree. A quick glance someone would consider it a cheapie til they got their hands on it. Even though this saddle doesn't have the typical roper rigging, it does have plate rigging which is pretty common in today's wade and working cowboy saddles. They are designed this way to decrease the bulk under the leg to be more comfortable for a whole day in the saddle. They are also very capable of managing a cow on the end of a rope.
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https://www.horsesaddleshop.com/wade...addle-sbs.html

https://www.amazon.com/Western-Saddl...gateway&sr=8-4

Check out visual differences on both of these 2 saddles , starting out with thickness and quality of dee rings used and leather, fleece material , tooling , etc . I'am just posting other saddle differences . This is not an attempt to put the OP's saddle in the mix .

Perhaps OP has some potential buyers already here on the HF and can offer a deal to someone interested and work it out through "pay pal" .

Hopefully OP will post back with his thoughts or comment's .
Seen many a time when someone posts once asked a question and you never here from them again (on many sites).

Might wanna check your western saddles and look for starters under the pommel or swell too see if its been glued tucked under or precision nail tapped in underneath and correctly measure the gullet while your at it ......................... (please ignore this last statement , just talking to myself) .
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https://www.horsesaddleshop.com/wade...addle-sbs.html

https://www.amazon.com/Western-Saddl...gateway&sr=8-4

Check out visual differences on both of these 2 saddles , starting out with thickness and quality of dee rings used and leather, fleece material , tooling , etc . I'am just posting other saddle differences . This is not an attempt to put the OP's saddle in the mix .

Perhaps OP has some potential buyers already here on the HF and can offer a deal to someone interested and work it out through "pay pal" .

Hopefully OP will post back with his thoughts or comment's .
Seen many a time when someone posts once asked a question and you never here from them again (on many sites).

Might wanna check your western saddles and look for starters under the pommel or swell too see if its been glued tucked under or precision nail tapped in underneath and correctly measure the gullet while your at it ......................... (please ignore this last statement , just talking to myself) .
I disagree that your view of a roping saddle with 'a strap from dee to dee' is the only roping saddle out there. Your own examples you posted of saddles contains a plate rigged saddle in your first example. It has no leather strap from dee to dee. Your second example is absolute junk with rigging only in the skirt with no reinforcement to the tree. And by the way, mine is glued and nail tapped on a 6 3/4 gullet.

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Well, if we are posting pictures of ranch saddles, here is the one I got from Corriente about a month ago. It's not junk, but it's not custom. So...........it works for me. It is my dream saddle within my budget.
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The saddle looks decently-made--- probably not top-of-the-line but certainly not all that bad. I'm guessing it might be by Colorado Saddlery. They make a lot of saddles that look like that, and some aren't marked. The hard seat is something you don't find much in cheap saddles; the cheap western saddle brands find it too much work to do that correctly, and it takes up more leather. If it's not Colorado, there are a number of makers in the northwest who turn out saddles like that for outfitters/pack companies. Most aren't marked with a name, but they tend to be decent using saddles that fit a lot of horses and a lot of people well. The seat size is usually stamped on the latigo keeper, as yours seems to be. We had some at a ranch I used to work at that were 30 years old, used for 12 hours a day 6 months a year, and still looked good, didn't sore the horses, and fit nearly everything. Most sell in the range of about $850 new to the outfitters, marked or not. Is the underside of yours real fleece or artificial? Lift up the seat jockey and look at the tree-- is it raw wood or plastic, or does it seem somewhat translucent-- if so, it's probably rawhide-wrapped wood, which is bull strong and lasts forever. If the fleece is real, it's nearly always a high end saddle. If it's not, is it smooth and even? If so, probably mid-range. If the tree is raw wood, it's cheap. Synthetic, cheap or mid. Rawhide-wrapped wood is an expensive tree, and not in a cheapo saddle.

That's dropped D rigging/plate rigging on the OP's saddle. Not uncommon in ranch and roping saddles. Not every roping saddle is a full-double as you describe, Rawhide. Most ranch saddles aren't-- the full double has a tendency to make the horse's shoulders sore if ridden all day. It's really made for arena roping an hour or two here and there. A dropped-D plate or D rigging keeps bulk out from under the rider's thigh, and helps distribute the pull of the cinch more evenly across the tree. I wouldn't consider the rigging a red flag at all, especially since this is a ranch/trail saddle and not an arena roping saddle.

My custom ranch saddle with dropped D in-skirt plate rigging-- not a cheapo at all:
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I got called away and couldn't finish editing my post-- anyway, depending on the tree of the OP's saddle, I would guess it's worth between $300 -$850 or so. What leads me to believe it might be closer to the low end of that is the breast collar attachment D. Most good saddles have a leather strip around the D attaching it to the saddle rather than a metal attachment and a rivet. So, while not a complete piece of junk, the saddle does have some concessions made to cheapness.
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Have no idea on the brand or what it is worth. I think region and demand beyond maker and style can contribute to worth. For my area, it probably wouldn't bring much but it could bring more if it was a smaller seat for a growing kid and the parents didn't want to dump a bunch of money into a saddle. I don't think it's one of the lowest of the low eBay import junk but it is obviously not top notch either as already mentioned.

We use a dropped ring and drop plate on our work saddles but I would be leery of the quality of rigging used in the saddle of question. Without being able to see under the jockeys to see how it's put together and the tree, who knows.

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