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post #31 of 43 Old 07-23-2009, 04:37 PM
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Wait till the horse loses weight before you truly consider a new saddle...even though everyone else has disagreed with everything I've said, thats what I would do.

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post #32 of 43 Old 07-23-2009, 04:40 PM
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No, that is not exactly the purpose. A rear cinch is used/needed to keep the back end of a saddle in place when roping a steer, or traveling up/down hills. It is not necessary for any other purpose..It is not used to correct an ill fitting saddle.

Your weight pushing down on a saddle whose tree is too narrow, is pushing the edge of the tree down on your horse's back instead of having the correct angle to the bars and having it sit flat. Bars are made of wood (or plastic on the cheaper ones) have no give.
Isn't the first thing what I said? But I didn't say it was a correction for an ill fitting saddle.

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A back cinch is pretty much made to hold the saddle. After looking at my saddle, it does the same thing without a back cinch on it.

Your weight pushes the saddle down, and the cinch keeps it from going back up.
If your saddle is sitting like the OP and that is your method of fixing it then you are using the rear cinch incorrectly and you are harming your horse - that is using the rear cinch to correct an ill fitting saddle. It is the equivalent of shoving a size 10 foot with a sox on it into a size 9 shoe and just because when you stand up, your foot gets forced into it, does not meant that the shoe fits.

What I am saying is that a rear cinch is for performance - not correction.

BTW, you are correct in saying that she should wait until her horse is in better shape before determining if a new saddle is needed but she really shouldn't use that saddle to condition him.

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post #34 of 43 Old 07-23-2009, 07:26 PM
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My saddle doesn't have a big skirt so the front is heavier. Maybe its the same with her saddle?

My saddle was way too big for my horse...but thats because he was abused and neglected. This horse is opposite. :)

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I meant the cinch holds the saddle down when riding. I should have said that.

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post #36 of 43 Old 07-24-2009, 12:02 AM
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If your saddle is sitting like the OP and that is your method of fixing it then you are using the rear cinch incorrectly and you are harming your horse - that is using the rear cinch to correct an ill fitting saddle. It is the equivalent of shoving a size 10 foot with a sox on it into a size 9 shoe and just because when you stand up, your foot gets forced into it, does not meant that the shoe fits.

What I am saying is that a rear cinch is for performance - not correction.
I would also like to add that the original purpose for back cinches was for saddles with trees that were designed for ranch work, like roping and cutting saddles. These saddles usually have full rigging. If you didn't use one, the back of the saddle would flop up and down on the horse's back he moves. The cinch on a fully rigged saddle is right under the pommel. Most (but not all) pleasure, show, and trail saddles have 7/8 rigging (like mine) or 3/4. The latigo ring is under the fender. Roping saddles weigh between 30-50 pounds, and most of the weight is in the front. Since the ring is so far forward, there's really nothing back there to stop the back of the saddle from slapping the horse's back when the rider stands up, leans forward, etc. So, the back cinch has a similar function to a breast collar - stability.

On the pad - I, myself, usually check the fit with a pad on, too. Those pictures were for something else, and I leave the pad off for demonstration purposes (so the lines of the saddle and the horse are a little clearer)

OP - Since you need a saddle that fits and your horse's body is still changing, have you considered a treeless saddle until she's done? (don't worry...your saddle isn't FQHB. Somebody goofed somewhere. My girl in the pictures is a tank and she's ripped. lol she takes a full bar, which is what that saddle is).
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I would also like to add that the original purpose for back cinches was for saddles with trees that were designed for ranch work, like roping and cutting saddles. These saddles usually have full rigging. If you didn't use one, the back of the saddle would flop up and down on the horse's back he moves. The cinch on a fully rigged saddle is right under the pommel. Most (but not all) pleasure, show, and trail saddles have 7/8 rigging (like mine) or 3/4. The latigo ring is under the fender. Roping saddles weigh between 30-50 pounds, and most of the weight is in the front. Since the ring is so far forward, there's really nothing back there to stop the back of the saddle from slapping the horse's back when the rider stands up, leans forward, etc. So, the back cinch has a similar function to a breast collar - stability.

On the pad - I, myself, usually check the fit with a pad on, too. Those pictures were for something else, and I leave the pad off for demonstration purposes (so the lines of the saddle and the horse are a little clearer)

OP - Since you need a saddle that fits and your horse's body is still changing, have you considered a treeless saddle until she's done? (don't worry...your saddle isn't FQHB. Somebody goofed somewhere. My girl in the pictures is a tank and she's ripped. lol she takes a full bar, which is what that saddle is).
I honestly never considered a treeless saddle because I know nothing about them LOL I guess it would be something to look into! Bad thing is i just bought a Rocking R training saddle that is supposed to be FQB as well so when I get the saddle I will post pics of that and if that dont work then I guess I will consider a treeless saddle for now. Geesh LOL Thanks for your help :)
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Classic, on the horse I had before Boomer (Bobo) I went through 6 saddles before finding one that worked for the two of us. Even though I've been around horses for a good deal of my life, I never had a horse that was "impossible" to fit.

Fortunately there is a tack shop close to me and I was able to take some saddles home to try - used saddles. I finally ended up buying a saddle that worked best and made modifications to the pad to overcome the bridging that every saddle produced. (I ultimately sold Bobo - having nothing to do with saddle fit - but still have the saddle).

Good luck on your search and hopefully the new saddle will do the trick. If you were closer I'd give you a hand.

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Aww thanks iride :) I'm not as fortunate to have tack shops or horse anything around us LOL...the closest tack shop is 3hrs from me I did think about going to see what they had because they were a large dealer but I would not of been able to try any of the saddles out..I did print out the wither tracing you gave to me and I could of went that route but it still could not a a good fitting saddle....I probably wont get my new saddle for a few weeks but when I do i'll post pics of that one as well! thanks for all your help
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I don't have any tack shops around here, either. Well, we do but they're for the rich folks. lol (and even though the prices are through the roof, the tack is so shoddy!!). Besides, with the internet, you can get better price deals on the name brands, or even slightly used. "Retail" pricing is a joke anymore, but you take the risk in the saddle not fitting (which you're going to do anyways unless you haul the horse to the shop with you. lol)

My daughter started riding when she was 5. She's 6 now and she's a LITTLE girl. She only weighs 40 pounds and she's short. (she's a gymnast, so it's perfect for her). I sat her in my old kiddie saddle. She was absolutely swimming in the seat, so I had to find her one she fit in.

...the problem, though, is that she rode a foundation stock Morgan - with the big rain barrel belly and the monster neck. Plus, to make matters worse, she insisted that her saddle be hot pink to match her bridle and breast collar (and pad, boots, and helmet cover) - and I didn't want to spend a lot of money on it cuz she'll outgrow it in a few years. The biggest problem I ran into was finding a tiny seat on a saddle for a full-sized (and then some lol) horse. She takes a 10" seat and still has room to grow. What a mess!!

These companies don't realize that not every kid rides a pony. Tiny little girls DO ride giant horses (and do just fine). I went through 4 saddles before I found one with a seat that fit her and a tree that fit him!...and I even found it in hot pink. =D

(I made the money back though...sold them on Ebay and actually made more money on each one than I had spent) ;^)
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