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post #21 of 29 Old 03-22-2019, 08:19 AM
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I haven’t personally used hoof casting but I considered it or a glue on option last summer when I tried to see how my horse would be without shoes (he wears just front shoes). His back feet are great and stay barefoot without any issues. But my results were less than stellar for the front hooves though. The dry summer heat amplified the chipping made for dry chipped up hooves and made him a little sore and too short to nail a shoe onto to make him comfortable again. I ended up giving him about 4-6 weeks off from all work to allow the hoof wall to grow some and then having him shod. In a Facebook post I asked a similar question for the instance of my gelding (i was asking mostly for good glue on shoe options or something that could provide protection and make him for comfortable until he could just be shod again.) and one suggestion was hoof casting and a person mentioned a TB they had that had short toes and was tender footed and always used hoof casting for that horse and that it worked very well. I had never heard of it before that but it could be a better option than boots since it could be closer fitting and not hold as much moisture in as say a boot would.
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post #22 of 29 Old 03-22-2019, 08:55 AM
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Hondo has worn Scootboots for as long as 72 hours without significant rubs. They are very flexible and comfortable for him. Getting the correct fit can be problematic but can be done.


At the end of 72 hours he is either left in a lot barefoot for 24 hours or switched to Renegades for 24 hours.


Sole packing has been used with both boots. After the sole packing is first placed, a sheet of seran wrap already torn and at the ready is placed over the hoof with the boot then installed. The opposite leg is lifted until the packing cures to a degree. The seran wrap is only for preventing the packing to stick and come off with the boot.



The Scootboots are very flexible fore and aft allowing the trimmed breakover to work within the boot.
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post #23 of 29 Old 04-02-2019, 08:21 PM Thread Starter
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Update:

My horse just got trimmed a few days ago and the trimmer was happy to see how the hooves have improved. My horse now has a little more concavity and the hoof seems to be growing in stronger, although only time will tell if that will last. They certainly aren't perfect by any means, but we are seeing small improvements and he seems much more comfortable. Personally, I've noticed a big change in my horse's way of walking over gravel and other harder surfaces in the last month. He no longer seems to be 'tip toeing' across the surface and does not seem bothered by it at all.

I've decided to look into scoot boots and re-measure in two weeks to see if the size 9 would be an okay fit. I'm also looking at the hoof packing, hoof Armour and hoof casting. I think they would be a good thing to have on hand. The easy boots had lots of nice options, but unfortunately don't come in a large enough size.
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post #24 of 29 Old 04-02-2019, 10:48 PM
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I really like the scoot boots....so does Hondo. Fitting was problematic however. It was recommended to place the hoof in a shopping bag with the boot then placed on a towel or cloth to prevent scraping. Glad I did as the first pair was way too large.


There are posts at each pillar and then the center piece between the bulbs. How those two fit for length is the most critical, IMO. After that is regular or narrow. The gap at the front just depends. Hondo is growing out a founder so there is a gap. I would place a shim in the front or pads under the hoof to tighten it up but since he just walks there's no problem of loosing one. He wears them practically 24/7.

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post #25 of 29 Old 04-03-2019, 12:57 PM
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In what way are you "struggling" to keep him barefoot?

Are you opposed to shoes?
What she means by that is a horse that has been pre-laminitic or is laminitic now has very touchy soles making them super sore and sensitive/lame on gravel, rocks or other various hard surfaces.
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post #26 of 29 Old 04-03-2019, 09:38 PM Thread Starter
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@Hondo That's good information about the fitting for the scoot boots! Did you measure to fit yourself or did you send pictures to the company? If I could, I wouldn't mind a little extra room to allow for pads.
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I did the measurements right off the chart. When they were too large, I sent pictures with the boots on (hooves wrapped in shopping bag).


Was told if they were 5 regular to go to 5 slim. If 5 slim go to 4 regular. I went to 4 slim and they fit perfectly.


Figure on paying at least one extra shipping. With pads it would depend. The loops that go over the top of the bulbs should not be too too tight. Not really tight at all is best, just contact. So with pads the bulbs would be raised up. If the loops were too high already, the pads would make it better. I would like to use pads to tighten up the toe but his bulbs are fitting so well I fear pads might be a problem back there.


We are just walking on mostly soft ground and he's comfortable without pads. However, today we did try some rocks and I noticed just a few instances of gimpy. Not much, just a little. So I may try some pads yet just to see how the bulbs work out.


I did have the bottoms configured similar to Steward Clogs but have switched to Ramey's protocol where all hoof wall contact in the front half of the foot is removed with the sole bearing 100% of the weight. His past theory was that the repeated pressure/release in front of the pivot point pushed P3 back up into the hoof wall an infinitesimal amount with each step.


His theory was recently proved by independent research. He even returned a penetration to sound.


I want to recommend a book if you've not already heard of it. Any owner with a real interest in hooves will delight in it. Essential Hoof. It's my most prized book of all.

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Good to know. I'll definitely make sure to get a good fit when they arrive and thank you for the book recommendation! I have actually been searching around for a good book on the hooves.
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post #29 of 29 Old 04-04-2019, 11:07 PM
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.......and BTW, they suggest a method of attaching the front straps using a hoof pick. I always have the original copy of the Leatherman in one of my pockets and find it works best. Any small needle nose or small regular pliars should work as well.

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